Towd, you are simply delusional.
It happened pretty much like I outlined it. It happened right here on this BBS. It was back when you actually posted as Towd. Seems like I remember you having some stuff going on in your life right after that. Got a new woman or something, got your stuff kinda together and came back as LDV.
I see that you're slipping back into your old foaming, spewing, undocumented BS mode, however.
Your position then was that you had a "Top Secret" clearance, the highest one, so you had access to all the information. I simply pointed out that if you thought TS was the highest classification you were fooling yourself. If you think you and the Captain of the USS Virginia both had access to all the same information... well, what can I say. There's much higher levels of security than a mere Top Secret. SCI, SSBI, Codeword come easily to mind.
So in short, your TS didn't give you access to diddly, really. You were the one saying nothing in that operation could be hidden from you because you had the "highest clearance", TS. But you're just wrong again.
AS far as the RC-135's capabilities, I am certain you have absolutely no idea what they can do with regards to identifying and tracking enemy aircraft. Further, I suspect you have a total lack of understanding with respect to how the RC-135 interacts and coordinates with the E-3A AWACS aircraft. Far beyond that, I'm certain you don't know jack about JSTARS capabilities and how IT interacts with the RC-135 and AWACS.
We went over all that in the old argument as well. Your position was that there was NO WAY those Iraqi's got passed on by controllers to the Saudi flight so the Saudi's would get the intercept.
You were wrong then, and you are still wrong. The reason you are wrong is because you don't know what happened with the RC-135 and the E-3A and the Command and Control authorities. It's that simple.
LDV:
to cover your walter middy racists crap against arabs
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It has nothing to do with racism. You tried to make that argument before too, remember? You called me racist then... and just did it again.. because you thought
that I was saying some BS like "inferior Arab pilots couldn't have used the F-15 to shoot down the Iraqis". That's another little crazy thing you came up with. tty. You're welcome.>
Obviously, Saudi F-15 pilots could shoot down Iraqis; they did on that day. No one argues that. I just said it was a political decision to let them have the intercept. Race had nothing to do with it; politics did. You can't seem to live with that simple truth. That is YOUR problem, not mine. But play the racism card; that sort of thing is what you do best. You surely can't argue from facts.
One other little thing for you:
Air To Air Victories In Desert Storm
There were 36 Iraqi fixed-wing aircraft reported as shot down in air-to-air engagements in Desert Storm. They're all on that list.
Now look down column that shows "Unit". Does it strike you in the least bit odd that the USAF accounts for every single one EXCEPT two by the USN on 17 Jan inside Iraq> and EXCEPT the two downed by Capt. Ayehd Shamani of the RSAF on 24 Jan?
No, of course it doesn't. But again, that's YOUR problem.
Now, let's deal with "classified information". I haven't revealed any "classified information" to my knowledge. I know many classified things about the RC-135, E-3A and JSTARS that are still classifed to this day. I have revealed none of those things here, nor did I do so in the last debate with you about this.
The "political decision" wasn't classifed then, AFAIK. My old squadronmates talked about it freely and the guys I knew as Lieutenants were then in positions of command. So, if they told me I don't think it was or is classifed.
Now, I can absolutely understand if none of your old shipmates wants to talk to you. But again, that's your problem. My service friends are still my close friends.
As I said, someday a book will be written and there'll be a footnote to the Saudi engagement. It'll describe how they Iraqis were detected, tracked and how they passed USAF CAP that KNEW THEY WERE THERE but were DIRECTED NOT TO ENGAGE UNTIL OTHERWISE ORDERED. And the Saudis got the engagement.
Now, sorry you've got convenient amenesia about the previous time we discussed this, but it's all pretty well laid out again now, as it was then. There is nothing I could post other than the above that would ever meet your requirements for "proof".
So foam on and spew. There it is, like it or not.
