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Wolverine

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For those that can't visualize... (cannon and mg effects)
« on: March 27, 2000, 04:02:00 PM »
For those that havn't seen it, here's the best gun camera footage i've come accross.

6 minutes.

10 different engagements.

 1. FW190-A7 vs. Liberator - (headon, disturbing)
 2. FW190-A6 vs. Liberator - (low 6 quarter shot)
 3. Bf-110G2 vs. B-17 - (6 shots)
 4. FW190-A7 vs. B-17 - (6 shot)
 5. Bf-110G2 vs. Liberator - (FAR 6 sniping)
 6. FW-190 vs. P-51 - (couple angles, most from 6)
 7. FW190-A7 vs. B-17 - (BIGTIME 6 shots, peeloff)
 8. FW190-A7 vs. Liberator - (low quarter 6, sniping)
 9. FW190-A7 vs. Liberator - (6 shots)
10. Bf-110G2 vs. B-17 - (very disturbing, up close, 6 shots, HEAVY damage)

 http://stores.yahoo.com/lib/planestuff/guncam1.mov

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2000, 04:19:00 PM »
Nice post.

I want my buff in AH to be as tuff as that last buff that was being attacked from behind at the very end of the MOV file.

Did anyone else notice that the buff seemed to take many cannon rounds without going down?  Damn that fighter got very close to the tail gunner position at the end, but I'm sure that tail gunner was dead long ago.

How much ammo do you think the fighter used on that buff?  

This film makes the buffs in AH look like paper air planes.

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Wolverine

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2000, 04:33:00 PM »
Yeah, that last clip is hard to watch.  The tail gunner and ball gunner have to be dead there.  Too much fire coming in to survive.

The thing is, they way damage is modeled here, a certain "point" takes a certain amount of damage.  Once that point takes the alloted damage, it falls off.

In RL, you might have a wing fall off, but it didn't happen often.  More likely, you have a bullet disable the engines and the plane slowly looses altitude.  Maybe a control surface gets jammed forcing the aircraft down.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2000, 08:02:00 PM »
Very thought provoking. Thanks for the link Wolverine.

Can any german speaking members translate the text at the beginning of each movie for me.

Thanks
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Originally posted by Wolverine:
For those that havn't seen it, here's the best gun camera footage i've come accross.

6 minutes.

10 different engagements.

 1. FW190-A7 vs. Liberator - (headon, disturbing)
 2. FW190-A6 vs. Liberator - (low 6 quarter shot)
 3. Bf-110G2 vs. B-17 - (6 shots)
 4. FW190-A7 vs. B-17 - (6 shot)
 5. Bf-110G2 vs. Liberator - (FAR 6 sniping)
 6. FW-190 vs. P-51 - (couple angles, most from 6)
 7. FW190-A7 vs. B-17 - (BIGTIME 6 shots, peeloff)
 8. FW190-A7 vs. Liberator - (low quarter 6, sniping)
 9. FW190-A7 vs. Liberator - (6 shots)
10. Bf-110G2 vs. B-17 - (very disturbing, up close, 6 shots, HEAVY damage)

 http://stores.yahoo.com/lib/planestuff/guncam1.mov



Offline Zigrat

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2000, 12:07:00 AM »
well i definitely agree the buffs cant take a lot of punishment in AH

but I also think the 50 cals on the buffs are a little , not strong, too easy to hit with? If you go headon with a B17 in a cannon aircraft, he should be afraid of you not the other way around, 1on1 a buff should go down in the face of cannon. Not quickly, but i think both the buffs guns are overmodeled and its toughness undermodeled.

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2000, 02:02:00 AM »
hey i can't look at the file .. can somebody post a link with a defcoder for those .mov files please

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2000, 02:24:00 AM »
Quicktime Mr Quack  


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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2000, 04:36:00 AM »
link ? Mr. Saint  

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2000, 05:27:00 AM »
 http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

it's right there bud,, install and enjoy..



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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2000, 10:48:00 AM »
*bump*

Want people to see how much damage our buffs took.

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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2000, 03:27:00 PM »
Great Site, Wolverine!  Thanks

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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2000, 04:13:00 PM »
Did anyone noticed the ranges at which those guys opened fire ?
What's up with 4000 m in one in those clips !!!
Those guys did spray'n'pray of the worst sort...

One thing is for sure - average sim pilot can shoot better in the sim then those guys did in real life... question of fighting time i guess..
THe 190/51 movie is interesting - that pony should be caput at least 3 times...


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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2000, 04:32:00 PM »
thanks for the link to this film.  #10 is a little disturbing.  You can see something fall off the 17 as the 109 is approaching... then just sitting there behind it...

No way the 17s in AH could take that kind of punishment.

At the end, where the shots focus on the #1-#2 engines, just the first few pings on one of the engines would cut the wing right off  


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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2000, 04:47:00 PM »
Very cool, just wish the stupid quicktime screen wasn't 2 inches square.

 

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2000, 09:15:00 AM »
All I can say is thank God I wasn't a tailgunner in a bomber during WWII. Man that last piece of the video was brutal.

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