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Mig-33 Fulcrum Plus
« Reply #165 on: February 03, 2004, 05:35:54 PM »




There is also a mig-35 Super Fulcrum in development.

Title: MiG-29? No, MiG-33!
Authors: Anatoly Belosvet, Mikoyan design bureau, deputy
general designer,
Yuri Polushkin, Mikoyan design bureau, branch manager

[Abridged translation]

Demonstrated for the first time at Farnborough-94, the MiG-33,
a new Russian fighter, is a deep modernisation of the MiG-29.
The main goals of the modernisation were:
- multifunctionality with further growth of air-to-air and air-to-
  ground capability widely using high-precision weapons;
- considerable growth of combat range owing to an increase
  in the internal fuel capacity;
- better pilot-to-aircraft interface in the cockpit;
- introduction of new-generation equipment.

The external changes between the MiG-33 and the MiG-29 are
negligable and confined chiefly to the following:
- Changes in the intakes' geometry including the removal of
the upper intake louvres, enlarging inlet dimensions for higher
airflow, installation of movable nets protecting the engines from
the ingestion of foreign objects during take-off and landing.
- The number of hard points has been increased up to nine and
this enables either suspension of a 4,5 tonne bomb load or
eight [Vympel] RVV-AE air-to-air missiles [Russian counterpart
to the AMRAAM]. The MiG-33 can carry same types of
missiles as the MiG-29 does, and many more. For instance, four
air-to-surface missiles such as laser-guided Kh-25ML and Kh-29L,
or TV-guided Kh-29T missiles or four KAB-500KR guided bombs
can be carried .

The number of changes invisible for the eyes of a spectator is
greater. The MiG-33 features more powerful, upgraded engines
and the quadraple-redundant fly-by-wire flight control system.
A new onboard radar with a reprogrammable signal processor
provides not only a greater aerial target detection range, but is
also capable of detection of sea and small-sized ground targets,
ground mapping, terrain following and alerting to avoid ground
obstacles.

A new electro-optical sighting system (EOSS) provides a growth in the
target acquisition range, all-aspect target acquisition and the
capability of illuminating a ground target with the laser laser beam.
It also can detect a "laser spot" being created by an external designator,
identify targets and track automatically ground targets with the help of
the TV-channel. Modern interior of the cockpit features EFIS [electronic
flight-instrumental system] (two multi-function displays, a head-up
display, a track-and-alert system indicator). Besides, the MiG-
33 has more effective computers, running new software along
with [modern] communication, friend-or-foe identification and electronic
warfare systems.

In an effort to reduce the weight and the number of
manufacturing hours as well as to achieve a higher level of
quality, the forward fuselage (including the cockpit section)
is made of aluminium-lithium alloy by means of welding. A
variety of systems and devices have been modernised, including
the landing gear.

The flight performance and the handling qualities either remain
the same [as those of the MiG-29] or boast an improvement, this
is due to the new engine and the fly-by-wire system. The combat
range saw a considerable increase owing to the enlarged fuel
capacity. For an aerial close-in engagement (five 360-degree turns,
load of two medium, two short range missiles, three drop fuel tanks)
the combat radius is 1,250 km. The subsonic interception mission
range (M=0.85, armament of four medium range missiles, three drop
fuel tanks) is 1,440 km, and for a ground target attack mission with
air-to-surface missiles (load of two air-to-surface, two short
range air-to-air missiles, three drop fuel tanks) the comabt radius is
1,190 km.

The overall combat potential was increased by a factor of 1.5 in
air-to-air missions and by a fcator of 3.4 in ground attack missions.

The aircraft has successfully undergone the manufacturer's flight
tests. Moscow Aircraft Production Organisation MAPO has produced the
initial batch of aircraft and is now preparing for mass
production. The Russian-built equipment can be replaced by or
added to western avionics if a customer wishes this. Containers
housing TV-aiming systems can also be fitted. The MiG-33 has good growth
potential to increase its combat efficiency.


The MiG-29/MiG-33/F-16C/F-18C Comparison

>From  the authors' viewpoint, those articles and
brochures that sometimes appear in the West comparing the
modernised F-16C and F-18C with the first series MiG-29s,
which date back to 1982-1984, are incorrect. It would be more correct to
compare these [F-16C and F-18C] aircraft with the MiG-29s built
in the last [few] years and the MiG-33. We did this in the attached
tables.

Among others, there are the following advantages of the MiG-29
and the MiG-33 over the F-16C and the F-18C:

- The MiGs feature more complex aiming systems, incorporating
the radar, the OESS and the helmet-mounted sight meanwhile the
American fighters have [only] radars and visual aiming at
targets.

- The MiGs have radars with wider scan and track angles in
azimuth: +/-60 degress for the F-16C, +/-70 for the
MiG-29 and the F-18C, +/-90 for the MiG-33.

- The MiGs have wider zones of target had-off designation for short
air-to-air missiles suspended under pylons: +/-28 degrees for
the AIM-9 [Sidewinder] and +/-45 degrees for the R-73 [NATO code name
Archer] as well as wider target-tracking angles after launch 45 deg for
the AIM-9 and 75 deg for the R-73.

- The Russian aircraft's assigned calendar lifetime is longer (25
years). This has been proved by the operational experience
of the previous models (the MiG-21, the MiG-23 and the MiG-29).

- The MiGs have more effective, in terms of accuracy, methods
of gun firing which are coupled with the larger calibre of the
cannon (30-mm against 20-mm).

- The twin-engine MiG-29 has better flight safety compared with
the single-engine F-16.

Economical factors are of great significance when it comes to
choosing what type of aircraft to buy. Their influence is the key to
understanding why the majority of nations (about 80 countries)
prefer to buy only light-weight fighters like the MiG-29, the
F-16, the F-18, and the Mirage 2000. Heavy-weight fighters, the
F-15 and the Su-27, can be found in service only in the CIS,
the USA, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Israel and China. Furthermore, in
these countries their share is less than that of light-weight
fighters. Economical characteristics, i.e. the acquisition cost
and the maintenance cost, are also favourable to the MiG-29 and
the MiG-33. After 20 year service life, the economical benifit,
generated by a MiG-29 in comparison with an F-18C would have
generated an equivalent sum equal to the acquisition cost charged
for a new MiG-29.

According to authors' opinion - we are employees of
ANPK Mikoyan Mikoyan design bureau - data shown here
is in favour of the MiG-29 and the MiG-29M (MiG-33). The advantage
of the MiG-29 and the MiG-33 over the Mirage 2000-5 can also be
demonstrated in the same way. New designs, the Rafale and the EFA,
will merely be able to get nearer to the MiG-33 or its further
modifications in terms of tactical characteristics, albeit both
will be much more expensive.

Basic Performance
                                          MiG-33    MiG-29     F-16C     F-18C
Take-off weight (full fuel, AAMs), kg     15,300    15,700    12,004    16,800
Thrust with afterburners,          kgf    2*8,300   2*8,800  1*12,518   2*7,620
Max. speed at sea level,          km/h    1,500      1,500     1,470     1,300
Max. speed at high altitude,      km/h    2,450      2,500     1,890     1,900
Range w/out drop tanks at low level, km    710        900       800       950
Range w/out drop tanks at altitude, km    1,500      2,000     2,000     2,200
Thrust-to-weight ratio                    1.09:1     1.15:1    1.04:1    0.86:1
Max. g load                                 9          9         9         9
Rate of climb, m/s                         252        234       194       210
Turn rate, degree/s                        23.5       22.8      21.5       20
High-speed interception range, km          345        410       389       370
Low-level penetration mission range, km    340        385       400       372
Radar aerial target detection range
                         (RCS=3sqm), km   60-70        80       50-60    60-65
Maximum AAM launch range, head-on           60         50        45        48
                          tail-on           27         20        18        18
Number of weapons hardpoints                6          9          9        8
Bomb load, tonne                            4         4.5        ...      4.3
Combat readiness coefficient                0.9       0.9        0.8      0.85
Maintenance man-hours per flight hour      11.3      11.0         1    8  16-18
Mean time between failures
 in the air and on the ground, hour        13.6       7.3        2.9       3.7
Airframe lifetime, hours                   7,000     7,000      8,000     8,000
Relative cost                               0.7       0.8        0.7       1.0
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Mig-35 Super Fulcrum
« Reply #166 on: February 03, 2004, 05:37:51 PM »






DESCRIPTION:
Referred to in different places as the MiG 1.42, 1.44, I-42, I-44, MiG-35, MiG-39, or the Multifunctional Fighter (MFI), the most recent offering from Mikoyan Gurevich is a prototype for an advanced next-generation air superiority fighter. The aircraft bears a slight resemblance to the Eurofighter Typhoon, and its designers claim it is nearly as stealthy as and more capable that the American F-22. The prototype made its first flight in early 2000, but otherwise little is known about this new aircraft. Though the Russian military has announced that it has no plans to acquire the MiG 1.42, Mikoyan Gurevich is continuing development hoping to attract a buyer for the advanced design. Unfortunately, the project has not fared well, losing much potential funding and interest to the rival Sukhoi Su-47. It is likely that the MiG 1.42 will instead serve as a technology demonstrator to showcase advanced fighter concepts for less ambitious future projects.

More information on the MiG-35 will be presented as it becomes available
Last modified 28 December 2000

HISTORY:
First Flight    February 2000
Service Entry

   unknown

CREW:    1 pilot

ESTIMATED COST:

   unknown

AIRFOIL SECTIONS:
Wing Root    unknown
Wing Tip

   unknown

DIMENSIONS:
Length    65.58 ft (20.01 m)
Wingspan    42.67 ft (13.02 m)
Height    17.08 ft (5.21 m)
Wing Area    unknown
Canard Area

   unknown

WEIGHTS:
Empty    unknown
Typical Load    unknown
Max Takeoff    70,000 lb (31,750 kg)
Fuel Capacity    internal: unknown
external: unknown
Max Payload

   16,390 lb (5,000 kg)

PROPULSION:
Powerplant    two Lyulka AL-41F afterburning turbofans
Thrust    approx. 45,000 lb (200 kN)

PERFORMANCE:
Max Level Speed    at altitude: 1,720 mph (2,750 km/h) , Mach 2.6
at sea level: 950 mph (1,520 km/h), Mach 1.25
Initial Climb Rate    unknown
Service Ceiling    55,720 ft (17,000 m)
Range    typical: 2,160 nm (4,000 km)
ferry: unknown
g-Limits    unknown

ARMAMENT:
Gun    one 30-mm cannon
Stations    one (?) internal weapons bay and four (?) external hardpoints
Air-to-Air Missile    unknown
Air-to-Surface Missile    unknown
Bomb    unknown
Other    unknown

KNOWN VARIANTS:
(?)    One-seat fighter
(?)    Two-seat trainer (presumably)

KNOWN COMBAT RECORD:

   none

KNOWN OPERATORS:

   none as of 7/2000

3-VIEW SCHEMATIC:

« Last Edit: February 03, 2004, 05:50:35 PM by senna »

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« Reply #167 on: February 03, 2004, 05:51:19 PM »
Good posts Senna, Russia's latest production fighter compares well to USA's 1975 fighters, and their 2000 prototype compares nicely to the USA's 1990 prototype.  So they are catching up, only 10 years behind instead of 25.  :)

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« Reply #168 on: February 03, 2004, 05:52:34 PM »
LOL, I had no idea there was a mig-35 till 15 minutes ago.

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« Reply #170 on: February 03, 2004, 06:52:43 PM »
Yes GScholz, the russians do seem to make good fighters. At least capable ones. Too bad for them the Iraqi pilots sucked.

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« Reply #171 on: February 03, 2004, 07:41:44 PM »
Hmmm, Boroda is on his crappy-go, so finally I can have some fun.:D

First:
"WE didn't have strategic bombers, 25 megaton load each, on CAP ready to burn millions of people to ashes 24/7 as you did in 60s."
 Boroda, My country does not even have an army. (You must have thought I was American or something). And strategic bombers from the USSR or not, your guys have been flying around our little "Iceland" for decades. We have no knowledge of what they were carrying aboard, but however after the iron curtain dropped, it was indeed discovered that our capital (Reykjavik) was targeted for nuking by the USSR. (3 aiming points for aerial combustion over central city)
So, from my point of view, WE do not have an army, but YOU had us on your target list.

Secondly Boroda, I gave you a statement. This: "Beginning from the North: Finland, the 3 Baltic states, Poland, Czechoslovakia,Hungary, and then you have covered most of the area between the Arctic circle and the Black sea. Hell that's 7 out of the 9 countries on that route, leaving just Norway and communist Romania out! "
You can call this crap, but these are the facts. Please explain how you define this as crap. The countries mentioned were entered, overtaken or invaded, - i.e. taken over by military force, by the USSR in the period of 29 years, from 1939 to 1968. As far as I can read, and most, but can you??? (BTW, look for recent printed stuff, preferably outside USSR origin if older than 1990 or so):D

Thirdly Boroda, from your brain (the only cell?) came this :
"Beautiful when any lamer without a basic knowledge of history starts to teach me. "
Well, mr. "ME", I just intend to do that. Please be a good student and read the statement above again.

Fourthly, about your creative statement: "I have a hangover, felt two times slipping on ice in the street, and i come here and read such crap"
Hehe, I just walked my Icy lane to the house without slipping, grabbed a beer from the fridge (it won't freeze there) and as I am sipping it, I feel fully certain that I won't be having hangovers when I wake up tomorrow.
Nope. I will read your History essay with a completely clear head.
So good luck on your studies Boroda, and I will always assist you in the search for outside-USSR-cencored material about history

;)
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #172 on: February 03, 2004, 08:03:53 PM »
Nanananana Scholzie!
The Baltic states were captured practically overnight. Finland was invaded while completely neutral, - their alliance with Germany came later on in the spirit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
 Poland was marched into as soon as the wind was right, according to the contract USSR had with the Nazi Germany. The Czech and Hungarians got marched over when their politics became too liberal.
Just leaves you Norse out together with Ceausescu, from the Arctic to the Black sea :D
Oh, btw, its about this "entered, overtaken or invaded"
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #173 on: February 03, 2004, 08:52:57 PM »
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Actually the Iraqi pilots were very good. Most of them were trained in the US. What made the Iraqi air force impotent during GW1 was the vastly superior coalition command and control coupled with the total destruction of Iraqi command and control.


You might want to tell that to the Saudi pilot that splashed two (or was it three?) Iraqi pilots on the 2nd day of the war, all within 2 min. of each other.. ;)

And, do you have a link that shows Iraqi pilots that fought in GW1 were trained in the US?

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« Reply #174 on: February 03, 2004, 09:16:50 PM »
I heard on "Wings" that the migs the Saudi pilot shot down were on a training mission.

I am a little shocked at how those Mig25s were able to F up Allied operations, and escape harm.  Oh well.

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« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2004, 12:19:03 AM »
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I heard on "Wings" that the migs the Saudi pilot shot down were on a training mission.

 


The Saudi shot down two French-built Mirage F-1's, believed to be armed with Exocet missiles. Assessment is they were headed down the coast towards HMS Gloucester and HMS Cardiff.

Be pretty unusual to train in an active war zone.
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« Reply #176 on: February 04, 2004, 03:02:06 AM »
Ahh, all that French stuff. And Exocet is a frigging flying torpedo.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #177 on: February 09, 2005, 01:20:26 PM »
Food for thoght
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This is the kind of question that gets discussed all the time, but doesn't really have an answer.

First, best for what? Every fighter is designed with a particular set of requirements in mind. "Fighter" is a fairly general term that covers a multitude of missions. A Tornado F.3 or a MiG-31 is an excellent long-range interceptor, but you wouldn't want to send one of them up against an F-16 or an Su-27 in a dogfight.

Second, the aircraft itself isn't the only factor involved, or even the most important one. Put two aircraft of similar (or even somewhat different) capabilities up against each other, and by far the most important factor is the relative skills of the two pilots. It's widely believed that superior pilot training was the main reason why American F-86 Sabres consistently gained air superiority over technically superior Russian MiG-15s in the Korean War.
Third, even apparently identical fighters can differ enormously in their electronics fit; and in modern fighters, the electronics is at least as important (not to mention expensive) as the airframe. Export versions of fighters are normally much less capable in the electronic sphere than the equivalent models for the home air force, even when the aircraft have the same designation; does anyone expect the F-16Cs exported to, say, Egypt to be anywhere near the capability of the F-16Cs in USAF service? Older aircraft can be upgraded to modern electronic standards at a fraction of the cost of new fighters, an option increasingly popular in these days of tightened defence budgets (for example, the RNZAF recently upgraded its Skyhawk fleet with a radar and avionics suite equivalent to that of the F-16A).

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« Reply #178 on: February 09, 2005, 01:50:16 PM »
Food for thought
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"When is a thread actually dead?"

There are two main camps in this discussion.  Some will argue that a thread that hasn't been responded to in a certain amount of time (be it a day or month) is dead.  Variations on this include threads that leave the first page of the summary view or threads that don't have enough participants to keep it afloat among other, more active threads.

The other camp says that a thread never actually dies, but instead enters a state of suspended animation.  "There's no technological reason", they argue, "why a 10 year old message can't be responded to if there is new information."  In fact, this group will argue that a thread can continue until the very heat death of the universe precludes further conversation.

I submit evidence that ATA is a member of group #2.
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« Reply #179 on: February 09, 2005, 05:16:20 PM »
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Beginning from the North: Finland, the 3 Baltic states, Poland, Czechoslovakia,Hungary, and then you have covered most of the area between the Arctic circle and the Black sea. Hell that's 7 out of the 9 countries on that route, leaving just Norway and communist Romania out! Not agressive my arse!


With the exception that Finland was never 'assimilated' or invaded. It lost land but was able to stop the invasion.