Year-End MA After Action Report (2003)

[lazs2]

hehe steve.... that may be but.... the people who fly like you are metavoss and zazen...   have you ever seen more anal, uptight nutjobs?

lazs

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by lazs2
hehe steve.... that may be but.... the people who fly like you are metavoss and zazen...   have you ever seen more anal, uptight nutjobs?

lazs

Lazs, I think you are the only one that doesn't realise the 'spirit' of this thread, get a clue dude!

Zazen:cool:

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by pellik
Is your "financial success" linked with those late night "how to make money" informercials I see on TV? The ones that don't seem to offer a product but consist entierly of an overly enthusiastic salesman throwing out mal-formed slogans like "unlocking the key to financial success"? Kinda sounds like it.

-pellik

Ahh , So you've seen my 'product' on TV then!

Zazen:cool:

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by pellik
The point isn't how hard it is to kill em, the problem lies with actually getting at em in the first place. I find the rooks actually go down easier then bish because they spend so little time actually fighting that they're just out of practice.

To add my two cents to the general conversation above this post, I think that this is why the rooks tend to have "better" stats every tour. I've been complaining a lot these last few tours that the rooks seem to be far more "cowardly" in their flying then the bish. I've frequently found myself low and slow with a rook over me, only to have him refuse to do more then shadow me until he gets help. This isn't to say that all countrys don't behave in this sort of behavior, just that the rooks seem to do it more. And who's supprised when this style of flying produces slightly better numbers? Being low in a 2+ on 1 is tough.

If you were to look at the K/H as well as the K/D things would probably balance out a little bit.

-pellik

Some of this is true to a point, especially the out of practice part. I found long long ago, that if I didn't 'practice' TnB regularly I tended to be too gentle when pushing the envelope was required. E-Fighting tactics require alot more in the way of watching your G's and maximizing energy efficiency in high speed maneuvers. This differs greatly from the low speed maneuvering concerns where getting the 'angle' is the primary goal. It is a totally different 'mind-set'. Because of this there has always been a certain degree of antipathy between the proponents of the two styles. It is for this very reason I conscientiously practice TnB everyday. It has helped my K/D on my Zazen account in that if I do get caught in a compromising position in my Energy Fighter I can almost always 'angles fight' my way out.

As far as engaging a lower con, I realize some may do that but I do not. I will engage any number of cons with the advantage. Realise though there are times when the sacrafice in Energy and tactical positioning (ie: con is dragging you out of position toward their base,friendlies, or ack) is so severe that it is imprudent to commit to an attack even on a single target.


Zazen:cool:

[Steve]

the people who fly like you are metavoss and zazen...

I have no idea how Meta flies..  I've literally NEVER fought him, plane to plane.

I can tell you Zazen doesn't fly like me, he chooses to go  quite a bit higher and strictly BnZ.  I love the deck stuff in a pony.  Yes, my pony may fly faster than the spits and niks but they have their advantages, I have mine.  

Edit: This in no way presumes to indicate that I am any more sane or stable than you, Lazs; since we seem to agree on the most basic premises of the game and how maps should be laid out.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Steve
I have no idea how Meta flies..  I've literally NEVER fought him, plane to plane.

I can tell you Zazen doesn't fly like me, he chooses to go  quite a bit higher and strictly BnZ.  I love the deck stuff in a pony.  Yes, my pony may fly faster than the spits and niks but they have their advantages, I have mine.  

Edit: This in no way presumes to indicate that I am any more sane or stable than you, Lazs; since we seem to agree on the most basic premises of the game and how maps should be laid out.

Steve ... you are truly certifiable ...  

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Steve
I have no idea how Meta flies..  I've literally NEVER fought him, plane to plane.

I can tell you Zazen doesn't fly like me, he chooses to go  quite a bit higher and strictly BnZ.  I love the deck stuff in a pony.  Yes, my pony may fly faster than the spits and niks but they have their advantages, I have mine.  

Edit: This in no way presumes to indicate that I am any more sane or stable than you, Lazs; since we seem to agree on the most basic premises of the game and how maps should be laid out.

Don't know about altitude, I generally never go above 20k unless chasing a buff. My ride of choice is the Typhoon which is a real pig above 18k, I tend to stay in the 15 to 18k range. Saying I only BnZ is a big generalization, I E-Fight which includes BnZ, but is not limited to it. But, all things considered, if I am low and slow, angles fighting Nikis and Spits on the deck in my P47d-30 or Typhoon I must have screwed up in my strategy badly  somewhere on the way down!

Zazen

[Steve]

Don't know about altitude, I generally never go above 20k unless chasing a buff. My ride of choice is the Typhoon which is a real pig above 18k, I tend to stay in the 15 to 18k range

My statement was based on your description of a typical sortie for you.   12k is high for me.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Some of this is true to a point, especially the out of practice part. I found long long ago, that if I didn't 'practice' TnB regularly I tended to be too gentle when pushing the envelope was required.


Zazen:cool:

I was watching you turn fight in a F6F the other day when you were on your 'shades' account and it looked like you needed a little more practice.  


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[Steve]

Steve ... you are truly certifiable ...

Thanks buddy, I feel like I've finally arrived.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by lazs2
the people who fly like you are metavoss and zazen

That's a bit unfair.  Steve flies to live, but he flies a much more aggressive style than the others.  What he does exposes him to, at least, the potential for risk.  I consider him a much better pilot than Voss or Zazen by far, and he's far less prone to tooting his own horn for no reason.

But, of course, he's also insane.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
That's a bit unfair.  Steve flies to live, but he flies a much more aggressive style than the others.  What he does exposes him to, at least, the potential for risk.  I consider him a much better pilot than Voss or Zazen by far, and he's far less prone to tooting his own horn for no reason.

But, of course, he's also insane.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Gotta agree there, Steve is better at this game than I am, by far. He also seems to be more modest

Zazen:cool:

[WldThing]

Originally posted by Steve
12k is high for me.

Steve's changed

[Steve]

Steve's changed

Heehee.  You got me there WT.
 I used to be one of those guys that wandered in at 20k.

I attended a 12 step program at Altmonkeys Anonymous and although I'm completely insane, I was cured of this dreadful AH sickness.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying


But, of course, he's also insane.

-- Todd/Leviathn

And he has an uncanny knack for finding me AFK.



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