Sorry Pyro,didn`t mean to piss You off....

[tom666]

I`m just still doubtfull about torpedos dropped at 5K in WWII.
But I`m sure You`ve done more research than I have.
Other than that ,your work is awsome.
The game rocks,and the way You treat the community is great.
I came from FA ,where we were treated like children.One of the reasons I left that game.

[hblair]

What was the question anyway? Maximum altitude a Dauntless could have dropped a torpedo from? He might have misunderstood you.

All I remember reading was where you told pyro his source must have smoking crack, or something to that affect.

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[Hooligan]

Tom:

Pyro is probably heartened to learn that there is at least one AH player who is not purposely trying to piss him off.  In fact, he is probably very pleasantly surprised  .

Hooligan

[Pyro]

Hey Tom, I wasn't pissed or anything, was just making sure you were waving the BS flag at the source and not the messenger.  Anyway I had forgotten about it so I'm glad you reminded me.  I scanned some pages from a history published by the Navy Dept.  Sorry that one side of the scan is slightly truncated, I didn't feel like redoing them after I realized it.  Anyway, it's some interesting reading on the Mk XIII.
 http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/torp1.jpg  http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/torp2.jpg  http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/torp3.jpg


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[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

So pyro can we accuratly drop torpedoes from 5k? Or what would you reccomend as a good speed and alt for torpedo attacks?
BTW great book, what is it?0

thanks GRUNHERZ

[tom666]

Pyro
I didn`t question You,I questioned your resorces.I guess You`re right.But it still seems odd.

[flakbait]

You can drop a torpedo from 5,000 feet? The impact would set the firing pistol off! You'd be dropping a 1,000 lbs torp like a bomb. Then again, I dropped a torp from the TBM earlier from 50 feet, 120mph, and was blown to bits.


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Delta 6's Flight School
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
 

[Duckwing6]

no the 5k are reffering to distance flakbait... not altitude

[Hans]

Oh, ok.

I was think you guys were talking about dropping a torpedo from 5,000 feet MSL altitude.

Now this post makes sense.

For what its worth, torpedos do go thousands of yards before running out of fuel.  Destroyers fired them from a mile or two away normally, though they simply shotguned the area with dozens of torpedos.  More of a scare tactic to make them run than actually scoring a hit.

Hans.

[214thCavalier]

I think that post does say the torps were cleared for use at 800ft alt and 300 kts and in later testing 6 Mk13 torps were dropped from between 5000 - 7000ft ALTITUDE and 5 ran straight and normal.
Sounds conclusive to me end of discussion i reckon.

[Grayarea]

Better read the .jpg's guys, we are talking 5000 msl!!

Quote from torp3.jpg

"On one occasion in early 1945, 6 mark 13 torpedoes were release from altitudes between 5000 and 7000 feet; 5 out of the 6 were observed to run hot, straight, and normal"

WOW, this should make TBM torp runs a bit safer!

Real life is stranger than fiction.

Grayarea.

PS I can hear cries of "TBM dweeb" already  

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[Hans]

Yikes!

Ok, you ARE talking about torpedos dropped from 5,000-7,000 feet.

That is a MILE in the air, folks!

I never knew that.  Then again, it looks like the US Navy didn't know they could either untill 1945.

Hans.

 

[Toad]

Ah, you guys fell for it!

Pyro faked up those documents as part of an Allied conspiracy!

Later you'll find that all Axis torpedoes are severely UNDERMODELLED and must be dropped in the following window:

Airspeed: 161-165 MPH
Altitude: 631-672 Feet
Pitch Attitude: -.75 to -2.67 degrees
Range: 200-273 YDS


Further it will take 3 Axis torpedoes to do what 1 Allied torpedo will do.

Lastly, Axis torpedoes will be much more difficult to launch, requiring a 7 step procedure that involves using your left big toe on the keyboard.

All part of the conspiracy folks. Get used to it.

 

[miko2d]

 For most of the actuall combat torpedo drops performed by US pilots during WWII, they had to fly considerably lower and slower and more perfectly level then their japanese counterparts in order for the torpedo to activate correctly. Even then significant part of the torpedos failed to explode.

 I am all for relaxong the requirements for the torpedo drop, (especially the attitude/bank) and making the torpedoes 100% reliable. Maybe even a bit faster. Otherwise nobody would fly and unlike WWII we cannot order them to. But dropping a torpedo from a mile up? Ridiculous. Even dive bombers released lower then that. Torpedo bombers flew at wavetop altitude. Let's keep it that way.

miko

[Pyro]

Just so this discussion isn't taken out of context, the drop parameters in AH are 800 ft/300 knots with a little bit of a fudge factor.  

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