Vultching in CT

[Sakai]

Is kind of not kosher, especially in Tiffies, 190s, etc.   So here is a list of the planes one should reasonably be allowed to vultch whilst tooling around in the CT and not be called a swollen turkey tit over:

Val
Stuka
Ju88 (manning only the pilot's forward gun).

Which means that we need an Allied Vultching ride modeled.  I'd ask for the Gloster Gladiator.  

Sakai

[Grits]

I will vulch at any opportunity and do not hide that fact. You are a target from the time you spawn until you .ef. The vulchee is the responsible party, not the vulcher. If you know I am circleing your base in a Tiffie and you up and get vulched, who's fault is that? Should I let a 109 climb until it has 2k alt more than me before I engage? The vast majority of my keels are not vulches, but even if they were I would not be ashamed, a keel is a keel.

BTW, I fly both sides too Sakai, and I vulch both, I dont play favorites. Hungary I flew nothing but LW, BoB I  flew some of both but mostly Allied (you gotta love that Tiffie).

[Sakai]

Originally posted by Grits
I will vulch at any opportunity and do not hide that fact. You are a target from the time you spawn until you .ef. The vulchee is the responsible party, not the vulcher. If you know I am circleing your base in a Tiffie and you up and get vulched, who's fault is that? Should I let a 109 climb until it has 2k alt more than me before I engage? The vast majority of my keels are not vulches, but even if they were I would not be ashamed, a keel is a keel.

BTW, I fly both sides too Sakai, and I vulch both, I dont play favorites. Hungary I flew nothing but LW, BoB I  flew some of both but mostly Allied (you gotta love that Tiffie).

And, the first swollen turkey tit winner is . . . . . .

Well, see you're taking advantage of previously established decorum and you are rationalizing your behavior.  Always indications of moral terpitude.

Sakai

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Sakai
And, the first swollen turkey tit winner is . . . . . .

Well, see you're taking advantage of previously established decorum and you are rationalizing your behavior.  Always indications of moral terpitude.

Sakai

Yeah ... the sky is truly falling in the CT and it's all the silly allied player's fault. I really didn't think you needed to kiss up to JG3 this hard to get offered a slot.

[Sakai]

Originally posted by Arlo
Yeah ... the sky is truly falling in the CT and it's all the silly allied player's fault. I really didn't think you needed to kiss up to JG3 this hard to get offered a slot.

???????????

Arlo, you know I don't care about anyone's squad, you really need to lighten up.  I think any person who could read, spell, and cogitate semi-amubulatorily could get the point of my post.  That two guys snapped out so fast and stupidly indicates that yes, there is something wrong in CT.  I mean, I think vultching in Stukas is fine.  Any craft like that has to vultch.  For example, when I blew your 109 away in the Shturmi?  You were tied up with other guys.  Hardly fair, but hey, how else ya gonna get kills in an IL-2?  Now, if you are up in a 190 or Tiffie, one has options that transcend playing to the lowest common denominator (that would be texans and republicans).  That is why anyone who could read would see that I said "like 190s or Tiffies".  See?  NO allies or axis, just airplanes Friend Arlo?

Your seriousness on that other post leads a fellow to postulate that perhaps someone might take a step back and remember that Sakai simply likes to roast a few weenies every once in awhile, but does not ultimately care how a guy butters his bread.  But if this is too touchy an issue for all the "a-dolts" here, well . . .

I mean come on fellows, it's clear that post was not that serious.  Maybe we need to bury those hard ons in something else than the Aces High BBs once in awhile.  

Sakai

[Squire]

Its always ok to vulch a Jet

[Grits]

Originally posted by Sakai
And, the first swollen turkey tit winner is . . . . . .

Thank you, thank you. I worked very hard fo this award, but I would like to thank all the "little" people that helped make it happen...

Well, see you're taking advantage of previously established decorum and you are rationalizing your behavior.  Always indications of moral terpitude.

Sakai [/B]

I have only been flying AH for 5 weeks Sakai, but I learned my arena "ethical code" in the GEnie AW days, and that is what I fly by now. I was honestly not aware of any "gentlemans agreements" not to vulch in the CT, sure everybody taunts/whines about vulchers, but this is the first I have heard of any no-vulch guidlines, if there is (was?) one I did not know anything about it. I have been vulched too, and I have seen lots of folks do it on both sides, so I dont think it is being followed by very many as of now.

So, let me say this up front so there is no confusion:

You are a target any time you are in the arena. You up under me, you WILL get vulched. Period. Dont wanna get vulched, dont up at a capped base. I am a vulcher and I make no appologies.

PS: I dont need to drag out the old cliche of pointing out that one of Yeagers kills was from vulchin a 262 while it was on final do I?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Sakai
???????????

Arlo, you know I don't care about anyone's squad, you really need to lighten up.  I think any person who could read, spell, and cogitate semi-amubulatorily could get the point of my post.  That two guys snapped out so fast and stupidly indicates that yes, there is something wrong in CT.  I mean, I think vultching in Stukas is fine.  Any craft like that has to vultch.  For example, when I blew your 109 away in the Shturmi?  You were tied up with other guys.  Hardly fair, but hey, how else ya gonna get kills in an IL-2?  Now, if you are up in a 190 or Tiffie, one has options that transcend playing to the lowest common denominator (that would be texans and republicans).  That is why anyone who could read would see that I said "like 190s or Tiffies".  See?  NO allies or axis, just airplanes Friend Arlo?

Your seriousness on that other post leads a fellow to postulate that perhaps someone might take a step back and remember that Sakai simply likes to roast a few weenies every once in awhile, but does not ultimately care how a guy butters his bread.  But if this is too touchy an issue for all the "a-dolts" here, well . . .

I mean come on fellows, it's clear that post was not that serious.  Maybe we need to bury those hard ons in something else than the Aces High BBs once in awhile.  

Sakai

Talk about needing to lighten up!

[Löwe]

What Grits said.

[eskimo2]

Sakai,

Vulching is as much a part of the CT as I am.

If you don't want to vulch because it makes you feel more honorable, chivalrous or whatever,… then great, don’t vulch.  Just remember, whatever you think of yourself is just a fantasy.  Don’t expect anyone else to buy into your chivalrous knight of the air fantasy.  We are all into our own.  Some of us imagine ourselves as ruthless killing machines, some as aces, some as realists, and some just want a good laugh.

Think whatever you want about players like me, but the only way that you can influence my vulching is to whine, and that’ll just give me a good reason to vulch more.  I never expect a player who has a field capped to let me up.  I also don’t think more highly of a player who lets me up.  
When I try to take off at a capped field, I expect to be vulched (or attempted).  When I up, my only goal is to take down the vulcher/capper with any means possible.  I’ll fight dirty the second I get a chance.  I’ll HO em, ack drag, GV drag, etc.  Let me up once and you’ll wish you would have vulched me.

Seriously, you’re a good guy and a good player.  
I like flying with and against you.  
But I will always play by my rules.

eskimo

[humble]

I could care less if someone vulches me...the flip side is simple...fly around for 20 minutes with your thumb up your A#$. With the low #'s normally found in the CT its tough enough to find a fight...of course half the people in the CT prefer to attack digital real estate anyway...so I tend to let em up...not all the way...but up. No harm giving someone 1,000 ft or so.

[Sakai]

Originally posted by Squire
Its always ok to vulch a Jet

Oh, well, yeah I agree.  And a GV too, and PT boats to my mind are fair game--they can shoot back.  

Sakai

[Sakai]

Originally posted by eskimo2
Sakai,

Vulching is as much a part of the CT as I am.

If you don't want to vulch because it makes you feel more honorable, chivalrous or whatever,… then great, don’t vulch.  Just remember, whatever you think of yourself is just a fantasy.  Don’t expect anyone else to buy into your chivalrous knight of the air fantasy.  We are all into our own.  Some of us imagine ourselves as ruthless killing machines, some as aces, some as realists, and some just want a good laugh.

 

In the MA you can have as much of that as you like.  The nice thing about not vultching in the CT, and very, very few people do it so I don't know where all this rationalization is coming from, is that it enhances aerial combat.   You know, aerial, as in: in the air?

Not because anyone thinks of themselves in the manner that you describe, but becausae after 8 years of AW and 4 of AH, vultching is old hat.  Now, some guys never grow up, and you are correct that there is an element of that in anyone who flies.  

Besides, popsicle man, if anyone had bothered to read what I wrote, they'd know they were taking this far, far more seriously than they should have.  I am simply teasing a couple of nincompoops who fooed up their side doing same.  

Really though:  Do we want the CT to become the MA?  No.  OK, then although headons and vultches and gangbanging will occur in the CT as well, should we rationalize same? I prefer not to.  

Do we still appreciate it when some one says "I am bingo" and his enemy lets him go?  Yes we do.  

If someone said "Sakai, help, we're taking a field . . . ."  Would I vultch or show disdain?  Sure, I'd kill their foes.  

But I would prefer to be in a stuka or Val or SBD while doing it . . . .  ;-)

That's just me, and I do think there should be planes that are vultching rides and I stand by my call for a Gloster Gladiator.  And a Fiat CR42.

FYI, I'm not a good enough pilot to be an anything in the sky, I simply don't want the CT to be the MA.  Call me crazy, but there you have it.

Sakai

[Sakai]

Originally posted by Grits
Thank you, thank you. I worked very hard fo this award, but I would like to thank all the "little" people that helped make it happen...


I have only been flying AH for 5 weeks Sakai, but I learned my arena "ethical code" in the GEnie AW days,  

Which is precisely the mentality that prevails in the MA and I have zero problem with it, so you should be perfectly happy there--waaaaay more targtets.  It is like AW.  Go, kill and be killed, I do and its ok.  But yer dead wrong about whatever you want being the norm.  That's the code for tyrant child behavior.

Sakai

[Grits]

I dont want anything to be the "norm" YOU are the one trying to impose some sort of standard on others. I just do what I like to do and have fun, no more, no less. I dont tell people how they should or should not fly and dont want anyone telling me how either. You're the one rationalizing, not me.  If other people want to HO, vulch, spawncamp, or whatever, I might not like it, but you will never see me complain about it in the arena or here. Just as a side note, I get very few kills vulching, but if I have the chance I do it I will, and I wont apologize for it.

As for the MA, I disagree, I think the CT is very much like the Original AW that is why I choose to fly there. I never flew AW past '95 so I dont know what all the later incarnations were like, maybe they were like the MA, I dont know. The CT has the same small feel of the old GEnie AW, while the MA is like a huge kiddie pool. No thanks, I'll stay in the CT where almost everybody knows everybody else, and if I do get vulched (Arlo, Magee, Norad, Snoop, and many others have) I just laugh it off and give an , no big deal.