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Offline LtMagee

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Some CT Stats Here:
« on: February 09, 2004, 06:38:32 PM »
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F4U-4 has 55 Kills of Ki-67
Ki-67 has 36 Kills of F4U-4

F4U-1C has 64 Kills of Ki-67
Ki-67 has 28 Kills of F4U-1C

F4U-1C has 166 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 161 Kills of F4U-1C


F4U-1C has 36 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 33 Kills of F4U-1C


F4U-4 has 40 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 32 Kills of F4U-4

F4U-4 has 156 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 178 Kills of F4U-4


F6F-5 has 72 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 125 Kills of F6F-5

F6F-5 has 10 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 12 Kills of F6F-5

B-17G has 40 Kills of Me 163B
Me 163B has 77 Kills of B-17G

Me 262 has 34 Kills of B-17G
B-17G has 16 Kills of Me 262

B-17G has 41 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 50 Kills of B-17G

B-17G has 8 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 5 Kills of B-17G

B-17G has 8 Kills of Ki-67  (Furball)
Ki-67 has 2 Kills of B-17G  (Me)

I say F4U-1C should be added to all PTO maps if in the date frame :rofl

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2004, 07:02:40 PM »
Thanks Magee these stats are about what I imagined they would be like for this setup with the Corsairs, Hellcats and IJ aircraft.

I think they show that its not just the plane but also the driver of the plane that really make the difference. In this setup it pits the dedicated Axis versus the dedicated Allies and it shows that they are nearly the same. I would like to see these stats at the end of the setup as well and hold on to them for the future when I am thinking about putting in aircraft in the various PTO setups.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2004, 07:53:48 PM »
Those cant be right Magee. The F4U is 30-30 mph faster than the Ki-61 or the N1K. Thus unbalanceing the set up.:D

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2004, 09:00:39 PM »
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I say F4U-1C should be added to all PTO maps if in the date frame :rofl
Blah F4U-1C only enter the combat at Okinawa 1945 :D
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2004, 09:07:08 PM »
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Blah F4U-1C only enter the combat at Okinawa 1945 :D



and when did the NIK1 enter combat??

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2004, 09:12:05 PM »
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F6F-5 has 72 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 125 Kills of F6F-5

F6F-5 has 10 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 12 Kills of F6F-5
 


and which plane is "unbalancing" in the mid war PTO:rolleyes:

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2004, 10:11:46 PM »
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and when did the NIK1 enter combat??
Dunno, I dont care about Japs aircraft
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2004, 10:17:35 PM »
It is totally impossible that the C-Hog is not imbalancing this setup. Brady has done countless hours of exhaustive research to determine that the inclusion of the C-Hog in any setup would be a play-balance disaster.

You are all obviously amateurs and have no clue to the complexity of setting up the CT, please leave that for the professionals.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2004, 10:23:44 PM »
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It is totally impossible that the C-Hog is not imbalancing this setup. Brady has done countless hours of exhaustive research to determine that the inclusion of the C-Hog in any setup would be a play-balance disaster.

You are all obviously amateurs and have no clue to the complexity of setting up the CT, please leave that for the professionals.
In WWII, F4U-1C got alot problems like their guns froze so easily and engine died couple times.  Only 200 models of them were made in 1944 and enter combat in 1945.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2004, 10:34:30 PM »
How many Japanese jets and or rocket planes entered combat?  Your point is escaping me, I'm sorry.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2004, 11:06:00 PM »
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How many Japanese jets and or rocket planes entered combat?  Your point is escaping me, I'm sorry.
Well I heard that Japanese create Me-262 copy-like, but they want make a better engine for the jet and i have no idea how many they were made in 1945.  I heard that one Me 262 like just took off the flight for testing during drop the atomic bomb and probably USMC found the hangar some jets/rockets.

For F4U-1C = VF-85

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Following Bunker Hill's retirement, Essex and Benningon's F4Us would only be accompanied by Shangri-La with Air Group 85 aboard. Lt Joe D Robbins (5 kills) was assigned to VBF-85 which flew the F4U-1C. He had previously gained two victories flying the F6F with VF-6 aboard Interpid.

'On 8 April 1945, we departed Ford Island and and on 26 April 1945 we joined the carrier Task Force off Okinawa. We had 16 carriers making up three task groups. One Task Group would replenish each day whilst the other two would be hitting targets in Japan. On 4 May 1945 I was the flight leader for 12 F4U-1Cs flying CAP over a destroyer 12 miles north of Okinawa. The Japs were sending planes from Japan to attack our forces on Okinawa and ships at sea. At times kamikaze planes would be at a low altitude with fighter cover at a higher altitude. Our mission was to intercept and shoot down these aircraft. We launched in the early morning from the Shangri-La and took up our station. As always, we charged and test-fired our guns after take-off. My divison was assigned an altitude of 20,000 ft, whilst the second divison was at 10,000 ft and the third 5,000 ft. We have been on station a short time when at 0830 we received a vector at distance 26 miles to a bogey, and we were told that it was below us. I had fuel in the belly tank and I didn't want to drop it until I saw the bogey.

'These flights were about four hours long so you didn't want to drop the tank until you had to. I had my left hand on the switch in preparation, ready to go to the main gas tank and drop the belly store when I saw the bogey. We were all looking down when all of a sudden about 30 Zekes came from above and attacked us. We didn't see them approach as it was hazy and we had also been told they were below us. I switched tanks and dropped the belly tanks and made a sharp turn all at the same time - I had to. By doing this, however the engine was not getting any fuel, so it stopped. It takes only a few seconde to switch and get suction again, but I didn't have that few seconds. You don't get suction when you are making sharp turns and I was really making them. One plane was in my gun sight coming from the 10 o'clock position. I tired a 30' deflection shot and pulled the trigger; no guns. I was banking right and then left as steep as I could to keep them from shooting at me, still no engine. I kept recharging the guns and still they wouldn't fire. I kept banking one side and then to the other, keeping my nose down and losing altitude. I had at least four of them in my sights, but my guns wouldn't fire!

'These enemy planes were escort cover for some kamikaze planes below. Although I wasn't hit, they shot down my wingman, Frank Siddall, and second section leader, Sonny Chernoff, and then they left. The divison at 5000 ft then intercepted them. I was at about 16,000 ft when I got my engine started, and I followed my wingman down and he made a good landing in the water. I stayed over him until a destroyer picked him up 35 minute later. The destroyer that rescued him, the St. George, was hit by a kamikaze two days later while he was still aboard.

'Out of the four planes in my division, none of the guns would fire. At that time were the only Navy unit that had the 20 mm guns. That afternoon they were tested at high altitude and it was found that they froze and would not fire at about 15,000 ft. We checked with Washington and learned that the flights that were to test them at high altiude had been CANCELLED! From then on were restricted to 12,000 ft until we got gun heaters. We still flew CAPs and target strikes below this altitude. VBF-85 (.50 cals) flew the higher CAPs.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2004, 12:31:01 AM »
As I said, If the pilots flying the jets flew N1K2Js and the pilots flying the F4Us flew F6Fs and F4Fs, those numbers would better equal, however if the F4U-1C is added in all late war as it should, less would fly the F6F...therefore, more japs in N1K2Js, better kills over the F6F and F4Fs, while the F4U-1Cs attacted Ki-67s. Also, P-38s would over take the A-20s...maybe.

Also, the B-17sub for late B-29:
B-17G has 43 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 56 Kills of B-17G
Not Bad Huh?
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2004, 12:39:06 AM »
Oh BTW, the axis keeps crying...check this out!

Me 163B has 626 Kills of Bishops
Me 163B has 220 Deaths by Bishops

Me 262 has 282 Kills of Bishops
Me 262 has 125 Deaths by Bishops

Me 163B has 85 Kills of B-17G
B-17G has 41 Kills of Me 163B

Me 163B has 3 Kills of C-47A
C-47A has 0 Kills of Me 163B

Me 163B has 110 Kills of F4U-1C
F4U-1C has 42 Kills of Me 163B

Me 163B has 154 Kills of F4U-4
F4U-4 has 33 Kills of Me 163B

Me 163B has 42 Kills of F6F-5
F6F-5 has 8 Kills of Me 163B

Me 163B has 44 Kills of P-38L
P-38L has 6 Kills of Me 163B

Me 163B has 52 Kills of P-51D
P-51D has 10 Kills of Me 163B

Me 163B has 60 Kills of Tempest
Tempest has 38 Kills of Me 163B


As I said, if these jet jocs flew N1K2J, or some others...note not many fling the A6M5b as they would normaly, axis kills would be even higher.

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2004, 01:33:57 AM »
F4U-1C/D vs N1K
Advantage of F4U-1C/D
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  • Speed
  • Good handeling on high speeds

Advantge of N1K
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  • Suprior climb raito
  • Turn ratio
  • Great handeling on low speed
  • Suprior Acceleration
  • Firepower over 1D model only


Yes Speed is main advantage of F4U and it is really most important. But F4U pliot must work very hard do get kills.
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  • Get higher alt/E - it is harder with lower climb ratio - otherwise you can't fight N1K just almost no chances.
  • Save you E in BnZ combat - when N1K outaccelerates it and every zoom comes much closer
  • Be very carefull on vertical - N1K has better handeling on low speeds and you can be cateched easily if you make slight mistake in E compersion between you and N1K
  • Prevent HOs (accept 1C) - when N1K has good low speed handeling and can outturn you easily
  • Remeber all the time - No E you are dead - remember to disengage on time - if you didn't kill N1K


I would allways prefere F4U-1D/C over N1K because it is closer to my fighting style - but it is not easy to kill good pilot in N1K
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2004, 10:53:35 AM »
F4U-1C has 36 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 33 Kills of F4U-1C

F4U-4 has 40 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 32 Kills of F4U-4

***F4U-4 has 156 Kills of N1K2***
***N1K2 has 178 Kills of F4U-4***

Geez, that can't be right...not after all the speed charts we have had thrown in our faces for a year. I thought speed guaranteed complete supremacy?

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« Last Edit: February 10, 2004, 10:58:47 AM by Squire »
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