"Only in Finland"....

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by airguard
LOL so in youre country the policemen get the income by gettting the fee ?

Not always directly, but let's just say that when making funding decisions, local governments are quite aware of the amount of revenue brought in by traffic enforcement, and they allocate resources accordingly.  There are numerous places in the US where bloated local governments have evolved almost entirely for the purpose of collecting "highway usage taxes" veiled as traffic fines.

[Staga]

Police officers here are public servants with monthly salary; they're not contract workers with their wage bill tied to amount of fine.

[FUNKED1]

Same here of course.

[Staga]

Funked it sounds like you don't fully trust your police; I'm glad I can trust mine.
Police is unbiased here (IMHO) but just like in your country with money you can hire a better defender to the court.

Oh and I've been sitting in the back seat having a chat with cops, some brought me  40km closer to home and kicked me out from their car after they noticed I was sober enough to insult them...
Heh they did ask if I have any money and when I replied "More than you both have" they threw me out and told me to take a cab and go home  

[FUNKED1]

The problem is not so much the individual police, but the corrupt political system which controls them.

[mietla]

Originally posted by fd ski
Interesting point, fine for speeding, the main purpose of the fine itself is to punish for breaking the law. If so, basing such punishment on income of the criminal makes more sense then set fee.

ie: you make 100$ month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. There goes your money for fun for whole month, you WILL remember.

you make 10000$ a month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. You barely notice, who cares if you get caught again ?

Now you are just being silly.

[fd ski]

well, let's just do it for sake of argument mietla

if the punishment is supposed to be a deterrent against breaking the law again, then how can it be effetive in given scenario ?

[FUNKED1]

IMHO the income of a particular citizen is not something the government is entitled to know.

[Staga]

Originally posted by mietla
Now you are just being silly.

Silly ?? How ??

Fine is a punishment from the crime you made; how would it help to prevent you doing that same again if the penalty you had wouldn't hurt you financially at all ?

btw you don't have to pay the fine if you don't want to do that; you can also do your time in the prison.
Fines are calculated as a "day-fines"; from certain crime you get this many day-fines and the monetary value of the fine depends of your income.
Mr.Salonoja got 40 day-fines so he would do about 40 days in the prison (I believe).
In prison he would do equal time with a guy without any earnings so he can choose how to bear his penalty.
That's something others can't afford to do.

[mietla]

Originally posted by fd ski
well, let's just do it for sake of argument mietla

if the punishment is supposed to be a deterrent against breaking the law again, then how can it be effetive in given scenario ?

So, how do you punish the homeless dude? Beat him up?

Where is this " he can afford to pay more" commie gunk coming from?

Why not the price of bread then? It should be a nickel for a poor guy and $100,000 for a loaded dude.

I have an idea, you pay for everything with a fixed percentage of your wealth. Homeless eat free.

We don't need money anymore.

Originally posted by FunkedUp

IMHO the income of a particular citizen is not something the government is entitled to know.
 

exactly.

[Staga]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
IMHO the income of a particular citizen is not something the government is entitled to know.

I'm quite sure your tax administration knows your income and here it's part of government.
That's where police is getting their information in here.

[FUNKED1]

I should have said they have no right to know it.  It's none of their business.  Invasion of privacy.  Unfortunately some idiots in 1913 decided to sign away our rights to privacy in this regard, and the resulting cash flow to DC has created a situation where we may never get our rights back without drastic measures.

PS did you know that we don't really pay taxes in the US?  The government actually requires our employer to take the money out of our pay and send it directly to DC.  We never see it.  Land of the Free my ass.

[Staga]

Originally posted by mietla
So, how do you punish the homeless dude? Beat him up?

In here there's minimum value of day-fines so even without any incomes you're going to get a fine that'll hurt you economically.
If you can't get the money to pay the fine you're going to do the time.

[Pei]

I'm sure Funked believes that his government shouldn't have a tax system that requires them to know how much money he has.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Pei
I'm sure Funked believes that his government shouldn't have a tax system that requires them to know how much money he has.

You got it.  It's absolutely none of their business.