Bad ol Bush

[maslo]

Originally posted by AKIron
We'll do what we decide we need to do to protect ourselves and our interests. Accept that, or not.

is this Ignorance or Arogance ?

[maslo]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Back up tht statement with sources or shut up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2002/conflict_with_iraq/default.stm

if you will compare dead civilian month by month, you will probably get raising graph

US absolutly fail in Iraq, security situation there is worster and worster every month.
In december it took 2 days of waiting on gas station to get benzin.

Even SH were able to rebuild Iraq faster after first war.

Ocupation never ever bring good things and this one is not exception.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by maslo
is this Ignorance or Arogance ?

More like apathy- as in, what does it matter what your country thinks about our policy?

But seriously, if you read your posts towards America, you can find a great deal of clear instances of both ignorance and arrogance.

[maslo]

ups.

well my ignorance toward anyone don not kill people.


Ignorance on national level is a bit diferent that ignorance from person.

I would like to know what do you consider to be arogance or ignorance in my posts, to avoid it in feature.

[texace]

I'd suggest getting a grip on the English language before bashing the US. Hell, our President can spell better than that. :D:D

I jest...but all this talk about the war and all...man, I'm having a hard time accepting it. I don't know who to believe, because everyone sounds like a crackpot. It's either one extreme or the other. I could print out some of the drivel here and give it to my political science teacher and get an A.

Going to go play Lock On.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Kieran
That's got to be one of the most ironic things you've ever posted. Really.

Well, time to look at your own posts..
You're nothing but

[mrblack]

Can we not agree that sadumb was a bad evil man that needed to be removed from power?

[10Bears]

Okay I have a question,

This is pointed at Mr. Black but anyone can answer.
Why is it conventional wisdom  that Saddam needed to be removed from power?

Reason I ask is who is going to hold back the religious fundamentalists now? Wouldn’t a better solution had been to lift sanctions and resume the business of doing business thereby strengthening business partnerships making it un-desirous for Saddam to attack?. This has been our policy with communist China for more than 10 years now and seems to me to be a win-win situation for both our countries.

Gosh! that sounds so Republican of me. Why are you guys not acting like Republicans?

[Kieran]

Originally posted by Fishu
Well, time to look at your own posts..
You're nothing but

You've been taking slaps at America for years. It just got a lot more popular in the last few. I called you on it, you acted hurt, but as you proved the last time we talked about it, you simply can't be un-American in your sentiments... after all, you rooted for an American team on some sport!

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Kieran
You've been taking slaps at America for years. It just got a lot more popular in the last few. I called you on it, you acted hurt, but as you proved the last time we talked about it, you simply can't be un-American in your sentiments... after all, you rooted for an American team on some sport!

Looks like your memory is quite bad as well, might excuse some of your bad choices what to pick on.

Never looking at yourself, all the mistakes you've done.
You seem to think you're perfect and everyone who says bad of america is some sort of anti-american.
What did you say the US was, democracy? freedom?
Probably couldn't sense that from your attitude.

Thankfully not all americans are like you.. you're somewhat bad example.

[Kieran]

I can say the same of you. Every time you post on America, it's guaranteed it's to the negative. Consistantly. It's boorish, and you seem incapable of grasping that.

Never said I was perfect; I can say I am not lurking on Finnish BBSs throwing snipes from the sidelines. You've been doing it here for years. I can't think of very much of American life you haven't taken a swipe at. My tolerance for you has long since been shot. I used to think you just didn't have a grasp of the language, but I've since come to realize the bulk of your stuff is condescension and just plain mean-spirited.

If it wasn't for posters like Tuomio, I'd think poorly of all Scandinavians. A fair number of you represent your countries very poorly. I have to remind myself that, even if you aren't a minority, there are some good ones left.

[Pongo]

Rip
He presented no proof or evidence, what is there to refute?

Iraq did pay the palistinians to blow up Isrealis. But the US doenst call the palistinains terrorsts so that is not a link to terror. If the Palistinians were terrorsts certainly under the speech given and quoted by Bush the US would be hunting them down. Not negotiating with them and trying to get Isreal to give the terrorists what they want?
So that is not a valid link to terror is it...

The rest of the post is babble. If after 2.5 years of the war on terror that is what counts as proof enough to invade a country and kill 1000s of people then things are sad indeed.

In what must be the world record for double think,Rude even has the weakness of mind and moral to present evidence of Bushes stated ambition to ivade Iraq and his pathetic (but successfull) attempts to link Iraq with 9/11 as evidence of some kind of proof that the invasion of Iraq was warrented. As if evidence that bush announced he would invade Iraq 2 years before "the evidence" made him do it is some kind of glowing redemption of his actions and not a concrete proof that he was not interested in the slightest in really hunting down terrorists but in sowing fear to enable him to do what he wanted with the US military.

So Rip. All I say is what does justification or proof have to do with it. Your country has paid for the capability to take over other countries and your president lies just enought to pacify th 40% of the vote he needs to stay in power.

If any other country in the world or in history waged war on such rediculous excuses you and Rude and the "conservative" crowd here would not accept it for one second.

You hope there is some fact that will emerge to justify the unjustifiable. You have had Iraq to yourselves for nearly a year.
Had thousands of US operatives there to find some justification for the invasion. Any.
Yet this pathetic list of "testamony" from ex Iraqis that had to buy thier way with the CIA is your evidence, Gut feelings.
Are you not the least bit suspicios Rip that after so long in posession of the country your coutnry has found nothing?
Imagine if the US found no evidence of Nazism in germany by mid 1946.

So no I dont accept Rudes list as justification of the invasion of Iraq.  Easy to justify an invasion of Saudi Arabia. But Jr is not about to do that.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Kieran
I can say the same of you. Every time you post on America, it's guaranteed it's to the negative. Consistantly. It's boorish, and you seem incapable of grasping that.

If it wasn't for posters like Tuomio, I'd think poorly of all Scandinavians. A fair number of you represent your countries very poorly. I have to remind myself that, even if you aren't a minority, there are some good ones left.

Thats the very problem of yours, you stick to assumptions.
Since that is utter BS what you claim.
Try to make difference between politics and other issues, you mostly just read what I say about the politics.

I don't agree with certain US policies, neither does a good bunch of americans...  what would make me so much different, except for being foreigner and easier to frame me up as anti-american.
(makes me wonder what the disagreeing part of americans are.. unpatriotic? oh the democracy!)

Be welcome to critisize finnish politics, I won't even make a hint you'd be anti-finnish if you just bash the politics.
..like some from US has done here, which is silly, especially when defending the freedom, democracy... et al.


Unfortunately most political discussions here are about the one and same thing - how to deal with the terrorist - so it isn't big of a surprise if the tone is same kind.
...and always someone is putting up same kind of crap against the others.


Don't forget Hortlund, LOL

[mrblack]

Hey I re4spect the Finn's and the canadian's!!
They got some of the best sniper teams in the world.
Competed agaist the canuck's many a time and never wooped em:mad:

All joking aside.
You must understand that I America right now we are still VERY pissed about 9-11.
We got caught with our pants down and we dont like lit.
So are we maybe doing the scatter gun effect? Perhapes
You know kill em all let God sort em out kinda mentality.

Right or wrong I really don't know.
But I will tell you this.
We will get every last one of those cowards responsable for 9-11.

So forgive us If we are a little Gung Ho right now.
Like I said before I feel like we Have done what we needed to do in Iraq .

Now It's time to bring our young warriors HOME.

Ps I voted for Goerge but this election I really am At a lose on who will get my vote.

The Economy here In the States is pretty week right now.
I think that should be of some importance to the next President.

[john9001]

i have noticed the people who think war with saddam is/was wrong also think the USA should attack china, north korea, iran,saudi arabia,syria, egypt, etc,etc all at the same time.

idiots