Doesn't do the Math, Everyone got it Wrong... now censoring Science?

[Torque]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
OMG STUNNING PROOF!!!
NEVAR FORGET TEH GLOBLE WRAMING!!!

For the luv of God man take to Vegas and make a fortune!:aok

[Yeager]

I recently read an article about pentagon military planners preparing a national emergency scenario where extreme climate changes occured over a very short period.  Less than a decade,  and the effects on the humans would be catosrophic.  Seems mother nature has a switch that toggles very fast under certain conditions dealing with the temperature of ocean currents.  Was a lengthy article but the bottom line was that a severe climate change could occur rapidly and be devastating.

Global warming and cooling is cyclic and has happened dozens of times over the past  billion years.  Human civilization has inhabited the planet for a mere fraction of the earths history.

Global warming/cooling is a fact.  Its impact could bring about the long talked about culling of the herd, so to speak.

Where does our Lord and savior fit into this picture?

[hawker238]

Rip, you seriously believe that the billions of automobiles, smokestacks, smelters, and other things of the like that never existed prior to two centuries ago will not have an effect on the climate of the earth?

[oboe]

Originally posted by Sabre
...Some would have us believe that, even though it took almost two centuries of industrialized history to create the "hole," it took only a few years of sparodic reduction (reduction, not elimination) to begin to reverse the damage.

The thing I dislike the most about these arguments is the misinformation that gets posted and spread.   Not to pick on Sabre, but the first patent on a CFC formula was issued to Frigidaire on Dec 31, 1928.   "Freon" was the tradename for the first widely used CFC refrigerant.    After WWII, CFCs were used extensively as propellants in aerosol products.    Its more likely that the damage to the ozone layer occurred in recent decades, not over a period of two centuries as you suggest.

And Vorticon, as tempting as it is to use our own senses and experience to determine there is a problem, we are rather like the blind mice trying to describe the elephant.    Temperature and weather patterns change over centuries, we simply cannot look at the weather in our locales over the past few years and make accurate assessments on global warming.    

It's sad, but there doesn't seem to be any pure, untainted science.  But in the battle for minds and opinions, who should we believe--  a group of scientists concerned about the environment, or politicians funded by billionaires?    My mind isn't made up on the matter but I am leaning more toward the group that benefits the least financially.

[Sabre]

No problem, Oboe.  I don't feel picked on by your comment.  Indeed, it reinforces the argument that the use of junk science runs rampant when it comes to how public policy is formulated, on both sides of the isle.  My original post was in reference to global warming, a different enviromental panic button than the ozone hole, but junk science has played a role on both sides of both issues.

[VAQ]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Does'nt one volcani eruption due more damage to the Ozone Layer than the entire human race has done since it's birth?

I remember reading this somewhere, but I cannot recall.

Originally posted by Sabre
As do I, Muck, or something similar.  The quote I remember is that the eruption of Krackatoa (forgive my spelling of the name) produced more greenhouse gasses than all the automobiles to date.  Easy enough to find out.  USGS site should have some info on volcanic eruptions, I'd suspect.

Krakatau, 1883.

The most destructive explosion on Earth in the last 10,000 years was the eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia.  Tambora erupted on April 10, 1815 and sent 12 cubic miles of gases, dust and rock 25 miles into the atmosphere.  Propelled by stratospheric winds, the cloud of sulferic acid, ash, and dust encircled the Earth and blocked sunlight, affecting global climate for three years.

In the United States there was snowfall in Virginia in June, and freezing temperatures in July.  In Europe and Great Britian far more than the normal amout of rain fell.  It rained for 8 weeks nonstop in Ireland, causing the potato crop to fail.

Short term global cooling.

Krakatau got all the attention because it erupted in 1883, after the invention of the telegraph.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
Oh and how will a 2billion dollar plane going to stop a suitcase bomb rip?

By blowing up the c*cks*ckers home when he is in it, because our intelligence was PROPERLY funded and was able to catch on before he left to execute the mission.

Gobal Warming is bull$h1T.  There is proof of warm and cold cycles over the last 200 years.

[hawker238]

But what if those cycles were altered by the 100000% increase in man-made emissions?




Whatever, lets just hope everything turns out alright.  Much better plan.

[hawker238]

By the way, you cannot stop terrorism.  There will always be a way.

[oboe]

I agree completely, Sabre.   Junk science is used by both sides on an issue.   I think its a serious problem, not only because it makes it so difficult to pick through the clutter and try to find the truth, but because junk science demeans and weakens the reputation and credibility of science in general.

Bodhi, no sensible person denies the existence of global warming and cooling cycles over history (who can deny there was an Ice Age?).   I think the main fear is that manmade emissions will collect in high enough concentrations in the atmosphere that they will permanently affect the natural cycles.   That is, climate patterns may shift more rapidly than normal, be more extreme than normal and may be permanent rather than temporary (recognizing even a natural temporary pattern change could be longer than our lifetimes).    

How it would affect you depends on where you live.   I live in Minnesota, and I remember after a particularly frigid two week period years ago, I formed the group "Minnesotans for Global Warming".    It never got off the ground, but my plan was to drive around the metro area in a parade of SUVs, spraying aerosol cans out the windows.     I think the cold weather had affected my thinking, as I also thought the Herschel Walker trade was a brilliant move on the part of Vikings' general manager Mike Lynn and that the NorthStars wouldn't dare leave Minnesota.     I was wrong on every count.

[weaselsan]

Global warming is directly related to the huge sucking vortex created by sudo-scientists sucking on Government largess....