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Offline AKcurly

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2004, 12:40:33 PM »
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scientists are all frauds but it is extremely rare that one of em admits it...  sagan is himself a perfect example.... or was..

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And how would you know that, Lazs?

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2004, 02:35:33 PM »
well.... I just can't get the image of that pompous ahole sagan on CNN explaining how (complete with computer model and charts) the world would be in a nuclear winter if the old sadman set the kuwait oil fields on fire....  

He was interviewed daily on his theory and on the tube a lot.... till of course...  well... he was proven to be completely full of it... but, being it was CNN and all... no explanation or apolodgy or retraction or whatever was ever made.  

I don't claim to be the expert on the whole nuclear winter thing but I do know when the sun is still shining.

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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2004, 02:41:12 PM »
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well.... I just can't get the image of that pompous ahole sagan on CNN explaining how (complete with computer model and charts) the world would be in a nuclear winter if the old sadman set the kuwait oil fields on fire....  

He was interviewed daily on his theory and on the tube a lot.... till of course...  well... he was proven to be completely full of it... but, being it was CNN and all... no explanation or apolodgy or retraction or whatever was ever made.  

I don't claim to be the expert on the whole nuclear winter thing but I do know when the sun is still shining.

lazs


I was never a Sagan fan either.  I was just reacting to the statement scientists are all frauds but it is extremely rare that one of em admits it... sagan is himself a perfect example.... or was...

I thought it was possible that a scientist exists somewhere who passed your fraud scrutiny. :)

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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2004, 02:41:25 PM »
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I don't claim to be the expert on the whole nuclear winter thing but I do know when the sun is still shining.

Sagan's head was in a place of no sunlight.

He was to science what Joyce Brothers is to psychology:   he got on TV a lot.

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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2004, 02:43:06 PM »
ah... so the person you quote you are willing to concede is a fraud?

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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2004, 03:00:58 PM »
Uh oh, you mean a theory was wrong??  It happens.

The difference is, in science, the theory will be changed/modified, and reanalyzed (real science, burning oil fields probably are more of a specualtion than a theory), whereas if religion is wrong and someone points it out, they are heretics/infidels/unbelievers, or dare I say it....[church lady] SATAN!!! [/church lady] :D
In the 'good ol' days' you'd be burned/drowned/hanged.  Thank godzilla for progress!  :lol

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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2004, 03:08:50 PM »
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Thank godzilla for progress!  :lol  


Did somebody say "Godzilla"?

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2004, 03:12:24 PM »
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Originally posted by AKcurly

I thought it was possible that a scientist exists somewhere who passed your fraud scrutiny. :)

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2004, 03:12:56 PM »
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People should agree with me more often.


I would agree with you if you could stop crushing mice
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2004, 03:14:31 PM »
God is a theory. :)
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2004, 03:20:12 PM »
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During Operation Desert Storm in 1991, Dr. S. Fred Singer debated Carl Sagan on the impact of the Kuwaiti oil fires on American Broadcasting Company News "Nightline." Sagan said the smoke would loft into the upper atmosphere, disrupt the monsoons and lead to ecological disaster. Singer said such a view was ridiculous, that the smoke would go up only a few thousand feet and then rain out. Three days later, black rain began falling over Iran, which pretty much put an end to the speculation.


Sagan was wrong, Singer was right. Both are/were scientists.... go figure.
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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2004, 03:40:25 PM »
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Sagan was wrong, Singer was right. Both are/were scientists.... go figure.


True, I'm not sure what your point is?  Again, just because someone is a scientist doesn't make them infallible.   Unlike church clergy.  

Oh wait, there are only 33,380 (or so) cults...err..sects of xianity, guess 33,379 of them are wrong? Occam's razor is your friend.

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Offline AKcurly

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2004, 03:44:02 PM »
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ah... so the person you quote you are willing to concede is a fraud?

lazs


Absolutely.  Hell, I even quoted you one time. :)

I thought the quote was interesting.  Even idjits are capable of wisdom occasionally.

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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2004, 03:47:31 PM »
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True, I'm not sure what your point is?  Again, just because someone is a scientist doesn't make them infallible.   Unlike church clergy.  

Oh wait, there are only 33,380 (or so) cults...err..sects of xianity, guess 33,379 of them are wrong? Occam's razor is your friend.

Cheers,
Spitter


Was making the point that science basically exists to be proven wrong. It is the basic rule of the scientific principle...... wrong is OK as long as you got a better answer. (I'm the choir Spitter... preach over that way)
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
Heh, yeah, I figured that.  Sorry if it came across as anything other than tongue in cheek sarcasm. :D

Sing it choir brother!  

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