Author Topic: The Best Fighter Aircraft of all Time (Read 17618 times)

Overlag · « **Reply #90 on:** February 27, 2004, 02:58:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Lots of enemies have thought. .oh yummy a 109.. I bet not many have ever thought. Oh yummy.. an F15

very true that...i mean how many airforces has the F15 been up against that has equal numbers?

none?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #91 on:** February 27, 2004, 03:26:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
very true that...i mean how many airforces has the F15 been up against that has equal numbers?

none?

Actually, I think Israel has had the F-15 for long enough to have faced any one (or more) of a number of middle eastern nations while flying the F-15. Given that Israel is surrounded by hostile Arab nations, I'd say they don't hold much of a numbers advantage. I could be wrong, Israel may not have used the F-15 in a shooting war since they've had them. My memory ain't what it used to be, at least outside of what I do at work.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #92 on:** February 27, 2004, 04:11:53 PM »

I like your philosophy, F4UDOA,

Yes the F4U-1 is a serious contender in the aforementioned categories you selected, but in terms of the amount of fight coming to the game, you'd have to agree that the F4U-4 is a significant "step up" from the 1/ 1A variant. I wouldnt bring the D into the discussion, however.

I have a very good success rate in the F4U-1 against P51's and 190d9's. Maybe its me, or the other pilot, but that's a matchup I always look for. Maybe I'm just lucky

Overlag · « **Reply #93 on:** February 27, 2004, 04:19:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Actually, I think Israel has had the F-15 for long enough to have faced any one (or more) of a number of middle eastern nations while flying the F-15. Given that Israel is surrounded by hostile Arab nations, I'd say they don't hold much of a numbers advantage. I could be wrong, Israel may not have used the F-15 in a shooting war since they've had them. My memory ain't what it used to be, at least outside of what I do at work.

they are only hostile because the Israels and Americans shouldnt BE there.........

Rafe35 · « **Reply #94 on:** February 27, 2004, 04:55:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
I like your philosophy, F4UDOA,

Yes the F4U-1 is a serious contender in the aforementioned categories you selected, but in terms of the amount of fight coming to the game, you'd have to agree that the F4U-4 is a significant "step up" from the 1/ 1A variant. I wouldnt bring the D into the discussion, however.

I have a very good success rate in the F4U-1 against P51's and 190d9's. Maybe its me, or the other pilot, but that's a matchup I always look for. Maybe I'm just lucky

Yeah, I would say probably FG-1D for me the best and I dunno why but they are alike with F4U-1D.

BTW, Red Tail, F4U-1(Early Model with birdcage before 1A) did have chance to fight against USAAF P-51 in sometime 1943 and the Corsair outfought the Army craft about 12,000 feet, and was considered evenly matched below that altitude. Army pilots flying the Corsair for very first time were high in their praise. Dogfights were held with P-47, P-51, P-38, and P-39 Army fighters and all resulted favorbly for the Corsair.

Pongo · « **Reply #95 on:** February 27, 2004, 05:58:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
very true that...i mean how many airforces has the F15 been up against that has equal numbers?

none?

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they are only hostile because the Israels and Americans shouldnt BE there.........

I dont know. How many aircraft do you have if you add up the airforces of Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
Your point is inaccurate, sensless and biased.
the hat trick for stupid posts.

should I tack an emot on that of do you get the picture

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #96 on:** February 27, 2004, 06:34:11 PM »

Erich Hartmann DID NOT fight the whole war. Not even close. He came to the front in october 1942 and as of mid 1943 he only a couple of kills.

So the vast vast vast majority of 352 kills came in the last two yaers of the war when the soviets regained their strenght with better pilots, planes, tactics and of courve vast numbers.

Or how abour willi batz who got an even later start in 1943...

Willi” Batz flew 445 combat missions in scoring his 237 victories. 233 victories were achieved over the Eastern front but he did claim four victories, including two four-engined bombers over the Western front. He was wounded three times and was shot down four times.

Bf109G may not have had best performance but it was the grestest fighter of all time!!

Overlag · « **Reply #97 on:** February 27, 2004, 06:43:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
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I dont know. How many aircraft do you have if you add up the airforces of Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
Your point is inaccurate, sensless and biased.
the hat trick for stupid posts.

should I tack an emot on that of do you get the picture

im sorry?

has the F15 been at war with Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia???? No

Iraq has (had) an airforce? HAHA not ONE botherd to take off in Iraq War 2 why? because they had none.

how many WARS has the F15 been in where the other side has had a airforce?

NONE. thanks.

Anyway, i was AGREEING with your point, now your bashing me?

so your basicaly bashing yourself?

Widewing · « **Reply #98 on:** February 27, 2004, 07:27:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
im sorry? has the F15 been at war with Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia???? No Iraq has (had) an airforce? HAHA not ONE botherd to take off in Iraq War 2 why? because they had none.

how many WARS has the F15 been in where the other side has had a airforce?

NONE. thanks.

Anyway, i was AGREEING with your point, now your bashing me? so your basicaly bashing yourself?

Overlag, I strongly suggest you pick up a book some day. IAF F-15s have killed over 40 Syrian fighters, including MiG-25s.

You are correct in that Iraq HAD an Air Force, and those that challenged the coalition air power were destroyed, mostly by F-15s. Many of the destroyed Iraqi fighters were MiG-29s.

So, instead of rolling your eyes, how about rolling your backside over to a library and see if you can pre-empt your next embarrassing BBS moment.....

My regards,

Widewing

Overlag · « **Reply #99 on:** February 27, 2004, 07:39:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
Overlag, I strongly suggest you pick up a book some day. IAF F-15s have killed over 40 Syrian fighters, including MiG-25s.

You are correct in that Iraq HAD an Air Force, and those that challenged the coalition air power were destroyed, mostly by F-15s. Many of the destroyed Iraqi fighters were MiG-29s.

So, instead of rolling your eyes, how about rolling your backside over to a library and see if you can pre-empt your next embarrassing BBS moment.....

My regards,

Widewing

1 to 1 stats though?

i dont see whats happend here, i agreed with pongo about something, then he started bashing me, then i dug my hole deeper.........errrrr

F4UDOA · « **Reply #100 on:** February 27, 2004, 07:43:29 PM »

Overlag,

Your words are very curious considering you are deciding who should live where. Maybe you should read your history books a little better to find out who lived where first.

Also your country of origin as well as Europe in general has been willing to overlook any abuse of any kind in the middle east for a long time as long as you petrol prices don't go up.

That is the same type of rhetoric that got a lot of people killed 60 years ago. Remember Nevil Chamberlin?? That Hitler is a nice chap ehh?

Batz · « **Reply #101 on:** February 27, 2004, 07:55:25 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Erich Hartmann DID NOT fight the whole war. Not even close. He came to the front in october 1942 and as of mid 1943 he only a couple of kills.

So the vast vast vast majority of 352 kills came in the last two yaers of the war when the soviets regained their strenght with better pilots, planes, tactics and of courve vast numbers.

Or how abour willi batz who got an even later start in 1943...

Willi” Batz flew 445 combat missions in scoring his 237 victories. 233 victories were achieved over the Eastern front but he did claim four victories, including two four-engined bombers over the Western front. He was wounded three times and was shot down four times.

Bf109G may not have had best performance but it was the grestest fighter of all time!!

Helmut Lipfert claimed his 1st kill on 30.1.1943, an la5. His 100th victory was achieved on 11 April 1944. From then until wars end he claimed another 103.

His 198, 199, 200, 201 kills were all la7s.

There's plenty of experten that got a late start and flew obsolete aircraft like the Gustav.

Dont forget the 190, Otto Kittel was an il2 killing machine flying his A8 in Kurland.

Still the 109G was the plane of the experten. Best looking as well.

Overlag · « **Reply #102 on:** February 27, 2004, 08:47:28 PM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
Overlag,

Your words are very curious considering you are deciding who should live where. Maybe you should read your history books a little better to find out who lived where first.

Also your country of origin as well as Europe in general has been willing to overlook any abuse of any kind in the middle east for a long time as long as you petrol prices don't go up.

That is the same type of rhetoric that got a lot of people killed 60 years ago. Remember Nevil Chamberlin?? That Hitler is a nice chap ehh?

i am a firm supporter of the war on iraq even if WMD arnt found....arnt the UK supporters of the US? id understand if i was french............

Urchin · « **Reply #103 on:** February 27, 2004, 09:49:25 PM »

Didn't read all the happy horse****, which has undoubtedly turned into some sort of pissing contest.... but damn the Spitfire is one beautiful plane. Only plane I can think of off the top of my head that is more beautiful is the 190A. And only the early 190A's at that... the late 190A's got kinda lumpy looking.

Urchin · « **Reply #104 on:** February 27, 2004, 09:49:26 PM »

Didn't read all the happy horse****, which has undoubtedly turned into some sort of pissing contest.... but damn the Spitfire is one beautiful plane. Only plane I can think of off the top of my head that is more beautiful is the 190A. And only the early 190A's at that... the late 190A's got kinda lumpy looking.