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Offline Charge

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« Reply #120 on: March 29, 2004, 03:30:31 AM »
Having a large hole in the wing does not prevent you from RTB:ing but if you'd try to maneuver with such damage it would probably break the wing off.

Finnish ace Ilmari Juutilainen said he liked to wait for the escaping enemy fighter to start pulling out of dive as even one hit in the wing with 151/20 would cut the wing off.

The wing structure might be a bit problematic place for a HE to go off as it is a sectioned structure which is divided by spars etc. concentrating the pressure on one section and at the same time leaking the pressure to the surrounding sections. So the pressure rips one section open and fails to deliver adequate pressure to surrounding sections.

I'd imagine the best place for the 30mm HE to go off would be in middle of the fuselage which is sectioned by closed bulkheads. That would provide a somewhat large expansion room for the explosion which would not leak anywhere but would blow the skinning off evenly around it. (The Blen fuselage obviously was of optimal size...)

I think it can be seen in those photos that the explosion has usually destroyed the surface of one section and only slightly spread to surrounding sections. But, of course, the surface is part of supporting structures in stressed skin a/c, so having a square foot hole in the wing would make your usable flight envelope considerably more narrow in G-plane.

I have flown a 30mm armed planes in AH quite a lot recently and I have been very satisfied by its effectiveness.

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« Reply #121 on: March 29, 2004, 06:46:36 AM »
Hi Charge,

>But, of course, the surface is part of supporting structures in stressed skin a/c, so having a square foot hole in the wing would make your usable flight envelope considerably more narrow in G-plane.

Actually, German tests show that you should expect a square meter hole rather than a square foot one :-) And that might be both on the upper and on the lower surface.

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« Reply #122 on: April 01, 2004, 06:56:52 AM »
Much as I'm a fan of the Mossie, I think you'll find the damage in that Osprey picture you're referring to was caused not by Mk108s, but by burning petrol as the Mosquito flew through the exploding wreckage of the 110 it shot down.

This is fairly typical damage for that type of incident, of which there were many. I believe there's even another picture earlier in the Osprey book.

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Scherf
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Re: Hi Milo
« Reply #123 on: April 01, 2004, 07:54:37 PM »
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Much as I'm a fan of the Mossie, I think you'll find the damage in that Osprey picture you're referring to was caused not by Mk108s, but by burning petrol as the Mosquito flew through the exploding wreckage of the 110 it shot down.

This is fairly typical damage for that type of incident, of which there were many. I believe there's even another picture earlier in the Osprey book.

Cheers,

Scherf


No, I know the picture you are talking about and think he is talking about a different photo.  I have a photo of the Mossie that survived the MK108 hits (I'd guess two hits) in one of my books.  I'll see if I can get an electronic copy of it and post it later tonight.

The Mossies that flew through burning fuel are pretty obviously not shot up.  There were several instances of this happening.  Frankly, reading through "Mosquito" by Sharp and Bowyer it is surprising how often Mosquito's collided with parts of their victims.
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« Reply #124 on: April 02, 2004, 02:14:31 AM »
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Hi Hooligan,

>5 randomly placed hits would apparently not have been sufficient.

According to Luftwaffe figures, 4 - 5 randomly placed hits had a 50% chance of bringing down a heavy bomber, 8 - 9 randomly placed hits were required for a 95% kill chance.

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Henning (HoHun)


This is consistent with what Franz Stigler said at the WB Con in 2000.
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« Reply #125 on: April 02, 2004, 04:00:12 AM »

Lt. Archie Lockart with the Mosquito engaged by an Me 262 in August, 1944
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« Reply #126 on: April 02, 2004, 05:23:09 AM »
Thanks for that. As the text says though, that's a PR Mossie which encountered a 262, not the Fighter Mossie which encountered a 110, which is the pic that Milo's referring to.

I've got the Osprey book back in the hotel, will double-check, but I'm almost positive that was a 100 Group nightfighter which had the rudder covering and some of the fuselage covering burned away.

Sorry, no scanner, can't post the pic.

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« Reply #127 on: April 02, 2004, 07:08:35 AM »
I was in error guys. It is as Scherf says.:o Damaged received on the night of Feb 1/2 near Stuttgart.

It was a NF 30, NT252 of No 169 Sqd.


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« Reply #128 on: April 02, 2004, 09:56:58 AM »
Nice picture, just landed in my MK 108 directory. ;)
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« Reply #129 on: April 02, 2004, 12:30:35 PM »
Been in my Mossie directory for a while now.

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« Reply #130 on: April 02, 2004, 02:56:43 PM »
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Thanks for that. As the text says though, that's a PR Mossie which encountered a 262, not the Fighter Mossie which encountered a 110, which is the pic that Milo's referring to.



I wasn't implying that it was the same Mossie, as it obviously isn't.  I was simply posting pictures of a Mossie that had been hit by Mk108s.  I don't have a scanner either.  I wnrt to Kinkos and used their's for the exchange of cash.
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« Reply #131 on: April 03, 2004, 12:23:39 AM »
That's above and beyond the call of duty, Karnak!

The only other picture I've seen of 30mm damage to Mossies was another SAAF PR machine, which had damage to engine, propellor, spinner etc.

Any others out there that you know of?

Cheers,

Scherf
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« Reply #132 on: April 03, 2004, 03:41:03 AM »
Scherf,

Not that I know of.  I have seen several photos of surface burned Mosquitos.  I don't know if they are all of the same aircraft or if that simply happened to more than one aircraft.

I'll do a post sometime with the damage photos I do have.
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