Author Topic: 01-04 March04 stats (Read 504 times)

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **on:** March 17, 2004, 08:38:39 PM »

Edited; Corrected chart errors.

OVERVIEW
Fighter vs Fighter

P-38...553 Kills

N1K2..439 Kills
Ki-61..171 Kills

Bomber Losses, AtoA

B-26B....110
Ki-67.....073

American Kills.....626
IJA Kills...............720

Shane · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:10:35 PM »

niki vs 38 about dead even... 373-363 38's favor

ki 61 slightly more over the 38... 144-111 ki61's favor.

the way you presented the stats is misleading, altho i have noo clue as to what exactly you were trying to show.

from just the above... it's....

484 - 507 in favor of ija. but still less than a 4% overall difference. balanced by any definition.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:25:36 PM »

Actualy it favored the allies but as you said, overall, fighter vs fighter, the "map" outcome was very ballanced. Axis cant cry if P-38L is superior. Allies can cry because they dont or wont use the 38 the way it should...but then again, what would the axis say if they did?

This time, (fighter vs fighter) it worked out ok. I enjoyed flying the P-38L that week. Dont know how kills were obtained, ie vulch, dogfight, cherry picking etc.

Grits · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:53:06 PM »

Dont obsess about the stats, just fly, have fun, and ignore the whiners on both sides, I do and they both have plenty to go around.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2004, 11:16:15 PM »

Not obsessed, Im learning

Grits · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2004, 12:00:41 AM »

OK, maybe I'm dense (well, ok, I am dense) and I ask this with no sarcasim at all, but what are we trying to learn?

These stats are virtually useless to gain meaningful cause and effect results because there is no data to quantify what kind of kills they were, and that does matter. Our data is "kill" and nothing else, which is next to worthless for anything but the most broad and general conclusions. It completely leaves out the tactical situtation the kill occured in, but most importantly they completely ignore WHO the opposing pilots were.

Here is an exaggerated example. Lets say you have 20 axis and 20 allied players all of equal (and statistically average) skill. With that lineup lets say for simplicity sake that for the week they tied at 1000 kills each side. Now take 10 of the average allied pilots but add 10 total newbies but your total allied is still 20. Take 10 of the average axis guys, but add only 5, but the 5 you add are Shane, Urchin, Leviathan, Nath, and Toad. No matter WHAT planes you give the axis, those 5 guys are going to skew the stats against the allies. Remeber the guy that blew the grading curve in school? The same thing can happen in AH, only there is no way to know because of the nature of the data.

Therein lies the problem with delving too deeply into what the AH stats reveal. You can not quantify your data other than raw (and not terribly useful) numbers because you dont know what the circumstances were in which the data occured.

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2004, 06:15:29 PM »

It doesnt matter how they kill or die, its how the CT was played that week. Only the players know how they played.

The axis kept whinning about the P-38 running, well it didnt or either they vulched! I dont know, I am waiting for guys to ask these questions. If no one cares, then dont reply to these posts!
If no one cares, then all need to stop whining about planes being ubber or not.

The F4U has always been accused of being ubber as a runner. Well, stats show that the axis guys are killing them right and left more than they kill. This has shut up many of them. The F4U, the way the CT is played, is no threat! Ten times less a threat than the Bf109G-10 was. Now that was ubber moment in the CT.
Dont ask me, I dont know, I just have all the questions.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2004, 06:55:31 AM »

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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
The F4U, the way the CT is played, is no threat!

I agree with P6E on this. Always thought that the Corsair was way overrated.

- oldman

Grits · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2004, 08:56:00 AM »

I agree, too many people on both sides cryin' about "uber" planes. I say so be it, maybe that is historically accurate? Yeah the G-10 was pretty dominant, so what? I flew allied a couple of days that set and did not think it was a buzzkill for me. The F4U should be in any set that its appropriate for to be in regardless of "balance" issues. Same for any other plane, I mean the LA7 is a total UBER plane (much more so than the G-10 was last week IMO) and nobody said keep it out of Hungary, or to remove it after the week started.

Bottom line IMO, shaddap and fly (not directed at you Hawk, to everyone).

Sakai · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2004, 09:57:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731
I agree with P6E on this. Always thought that the Corsair was way overrated.

- oldman

It's a great plane, but not uber. Tough plane. The only argument I see that has any merit for keeping the F4U out of Pac scenarios pertains to the Chog. There were only 200 made, specifically for ground attack. It does not belong in the game to my mind.

But I would include the normal iterations of that plane as often as possible, it's a great plane.

Sakai