State militias

[SunTracker]

In 1798, militia commanders in Kentucky and Virginia mobilized their troops to get the Federal Government to respect the Bill of Rights.  The troops armed themselves and signed petitions against the federal government.  They didn't attack anybody, just rallied for a while and protested.

I read this in my textbook.

  Are these crazy survival groups in Montana and other mid-west states considered militias?  What would happen if a militia tried to protest a federal law out in public today, like my state did in 1798?  Can I make my own militia?

[GRUNHERZ]

Not anything good. See Ruby Ridge or Waco.  Now both groups are extremists no doubt but it's clear the modern day Us government will not tolerate an active armed resistance of any sort.

[Otto]

 What would happen if a militia tried to protest a federal law out in public today, like my state did in 1798?  

Himmmm?  Do you remember 'Waco' and 'Ruby Ridge' ?

[GtoRA2]

No No guys

Jenet Reno Was cute and fund....


Clinton never had anything bad happen on his watch..



Jenet Reno was

Cute and fund!!!

[SunTracker]

I thought the whole problem with Waco and Ruby Ridge was that they were using illegal weapons.

Waco probably had the most legitimacy though, except for the illegal weapons.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Not anything good. See Ruby Ridge or Waco.  Now both groups are extremists no doubt but it's clear the modern day Us government will not tolerate an active armed resistance of any sort.

FYI< the FBI purposely set up Randy at Ruby Ridge, they got an undercover agent to buy a shotgun that was 1/8" undersized for min. barrel length, and the agent insisted Randy sell it to him shorter, Randy said "No" but didn't take in consideration that the saw he used to cut the barrel with, actually made the gun barrel undersized. That was used for the warrant, and you know the rest of the story.

[GtoRA2]

Sun
 If you wana be shocked and dismayed go read this. acount of ruby ridge on crime library, has both Randy weavers acount and the Govs...


Shocking, and soo wrong Randy Weaver sued the feds and won.


Interesting read as well.

[GtoRA2]

Rip
 It was an informant, not an agent I think...

Plus, they they arrested him on those charges, he got the paperwork on when to appear in the mail. The dates on the paper were wrong. The Judge and prosecuter new this, when he did not show up in court, (and they KNEW he had the wrong date) they issued a Federal arrest warant.

Thats when all the killing started...

I am not an antigovernment tin hat boy, but in this case they stepped way over the line and killed people for nothing..

[Soulyss]

In 1798 were these militia heads appointed by the state?  Been awhile since I studied anything remotely like this but it seems to me back when we had "official" militas they were State militias, not independant groups.  

So while these millitia leaders in 1798 might have been acting independtly in this case were they not representing their respective states?  Or have militias always been independant groups acting on their own accord?

[Frogm4n]

waco was another jonestown waiting to happen. If those people had nothing to fear why didnt they just turn themselves in?

[Blooz]

Early Americans were not fond of a standing army. Standing armies are a tool of government to threaten the people. The reason for the 2nd amendment was that in times of war the call would go out and the men would grab their guns and go fight much like during the Revolutionary War and War of Texas Independence. This was found to be impractical during the Napoleonic Wars (War of 1812 here) and later during the American Civil War. After the Civil war you see a small standing army becoming commonplace and after WW2/Korea a large army become the norm.

Early militias were local groups usually lead by local prominent citizens. It was understood that in times of peace they would train and in war time they would come under federal control.

Todays militia is legal as long as they don't avocate the overthrow of the government.

Americans enjoy freedom of speech, are able to legally keep and bear arms and peacebly assemble. This is designed to keep the people free of tyrannical government.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
waco was another jonestown waiting to happen. If those people had nothing to fear why didnt they just turn themselves in?

LOL

I'll quote this during your next Bush is Hitler Patriot Act rant....

[Batz]

Ever read the Federalist papers?

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/const/fed/fedpapers.html

Concerning Militias

For those of you who do not know

When the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention presented the draft of the US Constitution to the individual states, it needed to be ratified by popular vote within those states. There was some trepidation over the outcome of this vote in several states, the most important of which was New York. Governor Clinton was opposed to the document and NY was the most populous state. 3 of the men who helped write that Constitution; Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay, collaborated on a series of essays (Now called 'The Federalist Papers') published in the NYC newspapers, defending the new Constitution and explaining the reasoning behind some of it's precepts. They all wrote together under the pseudonym 'Publius'. It is brilliantly-argued government theory, presented by some of the best men ever to attempt the field.

But as we all know by now "original intent" means nothing thanks to activist judges. Never the less, the Federalist Papers offer great incite to the thinking of the framers of what was to become the US constitution.

[Pongo]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Sun
 If you wana be shocked and dismayed go read this. acount of ruby ridge on crime library, has both Randy weavers acount and the Govs...


Shocking, and soo wrong Randy Weaver sued the feds and won.


Interesting read as well.

Wow, I have never read the story befor..thanks.

[GtoRA2]

Pongo,
 I had not either tell someone here pointed out he was not just some nut, lol.


He was always potrayed that way on the news.

Weaver was nutty, but I don't think he was really braking the law, nor if he was the responce he got was warrented. Frankly the story made me ashamed of my government, not the first and it wont be the last I am sure, but it is rare for me.