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Offline LAWCobra

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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2004, 04:46:49 PM »
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I am too afraid to call you a homo-erotic violent dillusionist any more.  You scare me.

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LOL well you dont scare me .
Indeed your just a smartmouth internet wisearse punk boy.

A cleansing of the soul ala right hook might be in order.

But I am sure you dont run your head like this in person to people.

The funny part is I do:aok

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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2004, 04:50:45 PM »
You're pretty damn funny mrblack.  Did you ever have a conversation that didn't end with you threatening or trying to intimidate someone?  Some would call that an inferiority complex brought on by feelings of inadequacy.  They'd definately attribute your fantasies of violence and vengeance as blatant repression of homosexual tendancies.  But that's just them.

I fear you too much to say it myself.  Cause you scare me.

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« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2004, 04:52:21 PM »
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Saw an Oprah show on the subject. Quite sad to see all those women raped and then punished by the system of the AFA once more.

Awful PR for the military.


If it was on Oprah then it must be true. Why bother with trial? Get a rope.
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« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2004, 04:53:10 PM »
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You're pretty damn funny mrblack.  Did you ever have a conversation that didn't end with you threatening or trying to intimidate someone?  Some would call that an inferiority complex brought on by feelings of inadequacy.  They'd definately attribute your fantasies of violence and vengeance as blatant repression of homosexual tendancies.  But that's just them.

I fear you too much to say it myself.  Cause you scare me.

MiniD


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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2004, 05:04:58 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2004, 05:07:55 PM »
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If it was on Oprah then it must be true. Why bother with trial? Get a rope.


It might not be necessary to get all defensive when you're not even attacked...
Where did I refer to punishment or even the offenders?
So please read a post before you 'dignify' it with a response.

Now please continue to explain that all these women are liars, promiscuous and that the grade system as used by the AFA is excellent and that women don't belong there...

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« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2004, 05:17:24 PM »
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Where did I refer to punishment or even the offenders?
So please read a post before you 'dignify' it with a response.




"Saw an Oprah show on the subject. Quite sad to see all those women raped and then punished by the system of the AFA once more."

Are you saying you weren't condemning anyone here? Sure sounds like you've judged the Air Force Academy to me. BTW, on Oprah no one is sworn to tell the truth.
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« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2004, 05:24:36 PM »
Ohhh boy, I should really just keep my mouth shut here because I hate arguments, but I've spoken to far too many female Academy grads to stay quiet.  

Actually, you know what.  While you all are busy fighting about this, I'll go speak to a 2002 grad (female) who's a good friend of mine and have her post over here.  If she posts, ask her anything you want about this stuff, she's well informed on what was going on in those days.  I'm not saying this exact case didn't happen, in fact it sounds pretty bad for the male cadet involved, but don't go throwing around jaded media information about how all these women cadets were raped.  I'm sick of the Academy getting a bad name.  99.999% of the student body don't deserve this kind of slander.


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« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2004, 05:26:26 PM »
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"Saw an Oprah show on the subject. Quite sad to see all those women raped and then punished by the system of the AFA once more."

Are you saying you weren't condemning anyone here? Sure sounds like you've judged the Air Force Academy to me. BTW, on Oprah no one is sworn to tell the truth.


That is not a judgment, it is a fact that they were punished by the AFA. Whether that was a grave injustice or a simple disciplinary action is up for debate.
Ergo, if and only if they were raped than it is indeed sad that they were punished again, hardly a condemning pov, right?

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« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2004, 05:29:58 PM »
If they were raped and then punished I agree, that is a bad thing and those responsible for the act as well as the cover up should be punished. However, I wouldn't believe everything I saw on Oprah if I were you.
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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2004, 06:54:11 PM »
Okay everyone, I'm a genuine Academy female Graduate (that Athena3 mentioned) who was in the same squadron as the guy in the article.  Yes, he was a sleazebag and deserves everything he gets, but there was a flip side to this the media is not to eager to get out because it shows that one of the girls is lying. See the following thread and article (from another Air force Academy graduate forum): http://www.edodo.org/rumormill/viewtopic.php?t=3065

As for the girls on the Oprah show, do not let their tears fool you. I knew some of them and they were full of it. Some are genuinely real stories, with real trauma,  but there are some that are girls making it all up.

Case 1:  The article in the thread i posted. The real creepy thing is that she thought she looked good in that photo she sent him

Case 2: A friend of mine got his good name drug over the coals and through the mud by a female freshman who has gotten herself into so much trouble that the only way for her to NOT get a DISHONORABLE discharge was for her to play the assault card and get "pardoned" from it all. I knew the gir and the guy. They guy was a good person and was able to recover, despite being kicked out of the Academy for the whole mess anyways. The girl...well, she was a potato. I remember her telling me, "I want to marry [boyfriend's name], but I want to sleep with alot more guys before I do."  The guy was pardoned on the basis that this girl was found guilty elsewhere of perjury, and she ran off scott free anyways and he got the boot.

Case 3: Another cadet in my class got accused of rape by a female cadet who claimed he took advantage of her while she was drunk. Of course, the part of the story that makes her look bad is the fact she went to the guy's place, got smashed, had sex with him, then when she got back to her room, found her ex-boyfriend and slept with him that same night.  In the morning she decided she wanted to be with her ex-boyfriend again, and turned on the first guy and accused him of raping her. The case was thrown out.

Case 4: Some of the girls claimed on Oprah that they were told to expect to get raped. Yeah, the cadet that told them that was my roomate for over a year, and known for not making the best of conversations. She had to be picked up by the officer in charge of us from the airport because she joked about having a bomb in her carry-on. Her response to me, "I just wanted to add some humor to their day!"  Nice girl, but sometimes made me wonder.

And come on, why in the world if both parties are wasted, the guy is always blamed? In the case where the girl was doing tequila body shots with a group of guys and taking off clothing and rubbing against a guy who's also drunk, wouldn't any guy think she's lusting over him?  Common sense here people! I'm not supporting either the guy or the girl here, but personal accountability goes a long way here.  Responsibility for your actions, if you do something stupid, fess up and learn from it. Granted, some of life's lessons really are a *****, I personally know, but wholly placing the blame on someone else is just wrong.

As for the reputation of the Academy, EVERY SINGLE BIT of this stuff and FAR WORSE happen at colleges and other institutions across the nation. The Academy just gets a bad rap because it's held to a higher standard that the college down the road with a pot-smoking club and football players raping cheerleaders.  The fact that military leaders graduate from there makes it a target because it gives the media something to fuss about.  

In case y'all haven't noticed, the media is a bunch of whoopeeed parasites that will do anything to get a "boo-hoo" story that will get them more readers. Luckily there are a few reporters that realize the truth to the whole damned thing can make for a even better story.
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« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2004, 06:59:34 PM »
And just for the record, one night when a ex of mine gave me a particularly hard time, I had over 10 guys at my door afterwards wanting to beat the tar out of the guy for what he said to me.  Even now, there are friends who want his head on a plate.  While y'all read about the few who may have caused problems, they don't mention the MANY that if they knew, would have gone out and beaten the rapist within an inch of his life.  

I felt like I had a bunch of big brothers out there and 99% of them are outstanding people that I would trust to have by my side in a battle.

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« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2004, 07:06:52 PM »
Thanks for shedding some light on the subject DragonsBane. Hopefully those with no firsthand knowledge of the Air Force will consider your words and not be so quick to judge.
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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2004, 07:32:15 PM »
DragonsBane
 Do you still have to get a senators recomendation to get in?


 Thanks for the info.

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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2004, 07:33:02 PM »
Wow... thanx for the insight, DragonsBane.
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