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Offline TheDudeDVant

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« on: April 14, 2004, 09:15:12 AM »
CLAIM: "We decided immediately to continue pursuing the Clinton Administration's covert action authorities and other efforts to fight the network."

FACT: Newsweek reported that "In the months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly classified program called 'Catcher's Mitt' to monitor al-Qaeda suspects in the United States." Additionally, AP reported "though Predator drones spotted Osama bin Laden as many as three times in late 2000, the Bush administration did not fly the unmanned planes over Afghanistan during its first eight months," thus terminating the reconnaissance missions started during the Clinton Administration. [Sources: Newsweek, 3/21/04; AP, 6/25/03]

CLAIM: "We bolstered the Treasury Department's activities to track and seize terrorist assets."

FACT: The new Bush Treasury Department "disapproved of the Clinton Administration's approach to money laundering issues, which had been an important part of the drive to cut off the money flow to bin Laden." Specifically, the Bush Administration opposed Clinton Administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with "loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration provided "no funding for the new National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center." [Source: "The Age of Sacred Terror," 2003]

CLAIM: "We increased funding for counterterrorism activities across several agencies."

FACT: Upon taking office, the 2002 Bush budget proposed to slash more than half a billion dollars out of funding for counterterrorism at the Justice Department. In preparing the 2003 budget, the New York Times reported that the Bush White House "did not endorse F.B.I. requests for $58 million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence analysts and 54 additional translators" and "proposed a $65 million cut for the program that gives state and local counterterrorism grants." Newsweek noted the Administration "vetoed a request to divert $800 million from missile defense into counterterrorism." [Sources: 2001 vs. 2002 Budget Analysis; NY Times, 2/28/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02]

CLAIM: "While we were developing this new strategy to deal with al-Qaeda, we also made decisions on a number of specific anti-al-Qaeda initiatives that had been proposed by Dick Clarke."

FACT: Rice's statement finally confirms what she previously – and inaccurately – denied. She falsely claimed on 3/22/04 that "No al-Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration." [Washington Post, 3/22/04]

CLAIM: "I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons." [responding to Kean]

FACT: Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, "U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner" into the summit, prompting officials to "close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city's airport." [Sources: Los Angeles Times, 9/27/01; White House release, 7/22/01]

CLAIM: There was "nothing about the threat of attack in the U.S." in the Presidential Daily Briefing the President received on August 6. [responding to Ben Veniste]

FACT: Rice herself confirmed that "the title [of the PDB] was, 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.'" [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 4/8/04]

CLAIM: "There was a discussion of Iraq. I think it was raised by Don Rumsfeld. It was pressed a bit by Paul Wolfowitz."

FACT: Rice's statement confirms previous proof that the Administration was focusing on Iraq immediately after 9/11, despite having no proof that Iraq was involved in the attack. Rice's statement also contradicts her previous denials in which she claimed "Iraq was to the side" immediately after 9/11. She made this denial despite the President signing "a 2-and-a-half-page document marked 'TOP SECRET'" six days after 9/11 that "directed the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq." [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04, 3/22/04; Washington Post, 1/12/03]

Just a few R*P...  Bush even vetoed moving $800billion from missle defense to counter-terrorism..  Keep blaming Clinton and his policies for 9/11....

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2004, 09:26:30 AM »
Links please. (Anyone can take something out of context and make it favor their side of the debate, I'd like to see the entire source)

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2004, 09:50:12 AM »
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Links please. (Anyone can take something out of context and make it favor their side of the debate, I'd like to see the entire source)


Lol, I don't think you will find it at fightliberalism.com:lol
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2004, 09:53:37 AM »
cliton = 8 years

Bush = 8 months

oh yes, I see who to blame for 9/11 :rolleyes:
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2004, 09:54:31 AM »
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Lol, I don't think you will find it at fightliberalism.com:lol


My article appeared on a number of websites, including that one. Seems you dodged out of that thread quickly, though. ;)  Some people just hate facts and data.

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2004, 10:00:13 AM »
Last night was one of Bush's better speeches and Q&A sessions. Defending a free country is very hard. Bottom line, bin Laden is responsible for the 9/11 attack.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2004, 10:31:57 AM »
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Bottom line, bin Laden is responsible for the 9/11 attack.


What country have you been living in? Last time I checked, we hold the CEO of a corporation or company ultimately responsible for bad things that happen to their company.

When is Bush going to take responsibility for failing to defend our country against terrorism until it was too late?

To be fair, was Pearl Harbor the fault of Roosevelt? I'd say yes, he was ultimately responsible, even though the Japanese pulled a surprise attack. The US had fair warning that the Japanese were going to attack somewhere, but they didn't know how or where.

Roosevelt was caught asleep at the wheel in 1941, Bush was caught asleep at the wheel in 2001.

It's convenient to blame Clinton for everything, as Republicans are so prone to do when the heat gets too hot for them, but the fact is that 9/11 happened after he was out of office. You guys can't legitimately use him as your scapegoat. Bush had time to analyze the situation and act accordingly. He is the CEO of this country, and he failed us.

He will lose his job this November because of that and other failures. "Read my lips".

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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2004, 10:45:36 AM »
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Links please. (Anyone can take something out of context and make it favor their side of the debate, I'd like to see the entire source)



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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2004, 10:46:00 AM »
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What country have you been living in? Last time I checked, we hold the CEO of a corporation or company ultimately responsible for bad things that happen to their company.  


We hold CEOs responsible for the bad things that happen to their companies when the CEOs commit crimes and steal from their companies, not when an irrate employee wigs out and kills fellow employees. Then we blame Rush Limbaugh. :rolleyes:

If there is anyone to blame in the US for 9/11 it is Clinton. Let's see, 8 years prior or 8 months. Which had more of an influence over national security?
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2004, 10:52:00 AM »
Iron, that is a spurrious argument. If 8 months is not enough time to be able to prevent 20 guys from getting on planes armed with box cutters, then how much time is enough?

Using your logic, Clinton is just as guilty as Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower and Truman for not leaing this nation to prevent people with box cutters from getting onto domestic flights, or for not seeing that sealed doors are placed between the cockpit and the passenger area.

Bush was the man in charge on the day it happened, he's the one ultimately responsible.

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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2004, 11:00:22 AM »
By your own admission then banana, Clinton is responsible for the WTC attack in '93, the marine barracks bombing, embassy bombings, and the attack on the Cole, some of these masterminded by OBL. If he'd done his job and brought OBL to justice Bush wouldn't have had to deal with him. What did we do about Clinton's failure to defend us btw?
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2004, 11:03:14 AM »
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We hold CEOs responsible for the bad things that happen to their companies when the CEOs commit crimes and steal from their companies, not when an irrate employee wigs out and kills fellow employees. Then we blame Rush Limbaugh. :rolleyes:

If there is anyone to blame in the US for 9/11 it is Clinton. Let's see, 8 years prior or 8 months. Which had more of an influence over national security?


Isn't God supposed to be everywhere and no where at once?  He was in the US at the time.  It's God's fault.

It is so stupid to try and place blame on someone for 9/11.  There was a failure in the intelligence gathering and implementation.  If you want to blame just one person or one administration you are just showing partisan colors.  Intelligence spending was gutted in the Clinton administration, Bush ignored warnings (however small), the people on the Plane didn't revolt (well one out of 4 did).  The people in the WTC didn't call in to work.   Placing blame on a terrorist attack is pointless and leads to bickering and country splitting.

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2004, 11:03:48 AM »
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He will lose his job this November because of that and other failures. "Read my lips".


please be sure to put ur money where ur mouth is :)

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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2004, 11:03:58 AM »
Yes, Clinton is absolutely ultimately responsible for those things you mentioned.

What to do with him now? I dunno, he shouldn't have been re-elected in 1996 if the American public would've cared enough about national security.

9/11 woke us all up. Now we care.

Edit: oops, thanks for catching my typo, Eagler.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2004, 11:05:37 AM »
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I dunno, he shouldn't have been re-elected in 1994 if the American public would've cared enough about national security.

9/11 woke us all up. Now we care.


or '96 either :)
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