Author Topic: Condi Gets A Reality Check (Read 678 times)

Wanker · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:07:23 AM »

lol Eagler, I missed that thread. Thanks for the link.

AKIron · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:07:33 AM »

I don't know what Bush could have done to prevent 9/11. Even after 9/11 the very same ones that are berating him for not doing enough are baying loudly at the measures he's taken to try to protect us. Some of you here that so heatedly despise Bush are intelligent enough to at least see this contradiction I hope.

mosgood · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:09:44 AM »

I'm a director at a Direct Marketing company. 6 months into my new position, I discovered that the fulfillment company we were using had over billed us by $4 million dollars over the time span of 1 1/2 years.

Now, I didn't choose these guys and I didn't have anything to do with us NOT confirming the costs on the invoices for the first year they were doing it. But the last 6 months is on my head. I let invoices get by for 6 months that were incorrect. It took me 6 months to catch that there was a problem.

Now, I could have said.... "If I went over every contract that this company did for every vendor that we are using now to make sure we aren't getting robbed, I wouldn't have time to do the daily ops" the owner would have bought it.

But that would have been bullshi.., It was MY responsibility as soon as I took over the position. I was getting paid to DO THE JOB and be the guy that is responsible. PERIOD.

How long does it take for the President of the United States to be responsible for what happens on his watch? If he would just take the responsiblity, his stock would go up.

Eagler · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:13:18 AM »

mosgood in '04!

yep, your job has the same level/amount of responsibilites as the POTUS

LOL

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:15:14 AM »

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Originally posted by mosgood
But that would have been bullshi.., It was MY responsibility as soon as I took over the position. I was getting paid to DO THE JOB and be the guy that is responsible. PERIOD.

How long does it take for the President of the United States to be responsible for what happens on his watch? If he would just take the responsiblity, his stock would go up.

Exactly. Bush has taken charge and is doing what he thinks is best for the country. As you put it, it is his responsiblity. I take it that you are one who supports our leader in this?

Wanker · « **Reply #20 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:15:34 AM »

I see your point, and agree to some extent. On the other hand, my point is that we should hold our presidents responsible for our national security. I think the Japanese understand responsibility and honor much better than we do.

In Japan, leaders there will publicly apologize for something bad that happened on their watch. Not that what happened was their fault, per se, but they understand that the public had entrusted them with their safety.

FWIW, I'm not a Bush hater, I just think he wasn't the right person for the job in 2000.

BTW, can you imagine the blood-curdling screams coming from the right had 9/11 happened on Al Gore's watch? Something tells me these threads would be look completely different.

Wanker · « **Reply #21 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:18:10 AM »

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Originally posted by mosgood
I'm a director at a Direct Marketing company. 6 months into my new position, I discovered that the fulfillment company we were using had over billed us by $4 million dollars over the time span of 1 1/2 years.

Now, I didn't choose these guys and I didn't have anything to do with us NOT confirming the costs on the invoices for the first year they were doing it. But the last 6 months is on my head. I let invoices get by for 6 months that were incorrect. It took me 6 months to catch that there was a problem.

Now, I could have said.... "If I went over every contract that this company did for every vendor that we are using now to make sure we aren't getting robbed, I wouldn't have time to do the daily ops" the owner would have bought it.

But that would have been bullshi.., It was MY responsibility as soon as I took over the position. I was getting paid to DO THE JOB and be the guy that is responsible. PERIOD.

How long does it take for the President of the United States to be responsible for what happens on his watch? If he would just take the responsiblity, his stock would go up.

I agree completely, mosgood. Bush should've had you as a consultant.

Thrawn · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:20:10 AM »

Rip, what are you talking aoubt? Just about every fact is already sourced in the article.

Eagler · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:22:25 AM »

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Originally posted by banana
I see your point, and agree to some extent. On the other hand, my point is that we should hold our presidents responsible for our national security. I think the Japanese understand responsibility and honor much better than we do.

In Japan, leaders there will publicly apologize for something bad that happened on their watch. Not that what happened was their fault, per se, but they understand that the public had entrusted them with their safety.

Hara-kiri \Ha"ra-ki`ri\, n. [Jap., stomach cutting.]
Suicide, by slashing the abdomen, formerly practiced in
Japan, and commanded by the government in the cases of
disgraced officials LOL

apologize!? - get a life and grow some gonads pls

is it time for your hormone pill or what banana?

Wanker · « **Reply #24 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:24:46 AM »

Haha, very cute, Eagler. But you and I both know that Hara-Kiri went the way of the Karaoke machine long ago.

Public apology and national disgrace suffices in present-day Japan.

Sixpence · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:24:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Rip, what are you talking aoubt? Just about every fact is already sourced in the article.

He is too busy cutting and pasting "facts" from fightliberalism.com

Facts like: In 2001, Bush used the word "the"

What an acomplishment! Good thing it wasn't Quayle, he would have spelled it wrong

Thrawn · « **Reply #26 on:** April 14, 2004, 11:25:53 AM »

Actually I have seen what banana is talking about. Japan had a "tainted blood" scandal much like we had here in Canada. Except were our people made excuses. The guys in Japan literally got on thier knees and begged for forgiveness.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #27 on:** April 14, 2004, 12:25:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
mosgood in '04!

yep, your job has the same level/amount of responsibilites as the POTUS

LOL

Well he probably didn't get the 8 months holiday the Prez has taken so far since gaining office...

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #28 on:** April 14, 2004, 12:44:48 PM »

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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Well he probably didn't get the 8 months holiday the Prez has taken so far since gaining office...

Or the perks and pay........

dude

mosgood · « **Reply #29 on:** April 14, 2004, 03:09:31 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Exactly. Bush has taken charge and is doing what he thinks is best for the country. As you put it, it is his responsiblity. I take it that you are one who supports our leader in this?

Well... I would absolutely agree he has taken charge. Whether I agree with what he's doing is another matter. But yes... he has taken charge.

I need you to be a little clearer on what you're asking though. Do I support our leader in his decisions or that he should take charge? Which really wasn't what I was talking about....

He needs to be responsible for what happens on his watch. And BE A MAN and say that. I think american respect that. I will tell you that short of him being GROSS negligent, I don't think he should be burned at the stake for it. I really don't think anyone could have prevented what happened. he's just the guy that worked his bellybutton off to be the most powerful man in the world and was in office when it happened.