Author Topic: Bring back Pizza! (Read 1907 times)

DipStick · « **Reply #60 on:** April 17, 2004, 09:42:32 PM »

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Originally posted by sax
Have ta agree there.

By far Big Isles is the worst. Pizza would be ok if the texture was darker and it had a new shape. Always liked canyon fights but that's about it.

rod367th · « **Reply #61 on:** April 17, 2004, 10:11:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Delirium
Wish they would post the total numbers of players for each map, to lay the myth that 'Pizza is actually liked' to the sword.

Its not scientific, but I haven't seen anywhere near the number of players last night that I saw on OzKansas the other Friday night.

lol saw pizza map full no one could get in. amount of players doesn't mean map good. guys on a friday wouldn't know what map is up untill they came in lol.

I heard alot of complaints about festers new map, true not as much as you hear from the few whiners about pizza but only been up once. Every map has its good and bad points I've seen great atoa in pizza lastijng for half day same two bases. It just depends on players in game. I flew very little on festers map but heard alot of complaints IE strat potatos dream furball island bullsht kills game amoong others. My point is play maps no need to whine or complain about map. unless 2000 guys say change it never again I say shut up play have fun.

?take a look at who is saying pizza sucks same 20 or 30 guys. It's like watch ch1 Its the same 30 guys complain over and over about la7 or spits nikis dweeb planes ( not same 30 as hates pizza just example) Those 30 or more guys are less than 1% of players.

Could careless what map is up, Ho, what plane others fly, gangbangs (happens to all sides) Could careless how high 1 team flys, could careless if spawn is camped, And I bet majority feel same way. Here to visit people I call friends and have fun. may it be from 35k bombing or spawn camping or viewing porn in tower.

WldThing · « **Reply #62 on:** April 17, 2004, 10:52:01 PM »

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Originally posted by rod367th
?take a look at who is saying pizza sucks same 20 or 30 guys. It's like watch ch1 Its the same 30 guys complain over and over about la7 or spits nikis dweeb planes ( not same 30 as hates pizza just example) Those 30 or more guys are less than 1% of players.

Ya well said, at least im not the only one that see a trend here.

opus · « **Reply #63 on:** April 17, 2004, 11:02:33 PM »

WldThing, you flies Hurri ?

My night consisted of flying 45 minutes to two red dots, killing them (nik and a 51) and have my f4u1 ground loop left off the runway.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #64 on:** April 17, 2004, 11:41:57 PM »

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Originally posted by WldThing
Ya well said, at least im not the only one that see a trend here.

thats what I've been saying all along. its not that "most people" complain about it. Its just that the same people complain over and over and over again thus making it look like there are more then there really are.

mars01 · « **Reply #65 on:** April 18, 2004, 02:20:55 AM »

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thats what I've been saying all along. its not that "most people" complain about it. Its just that the same people complain over and over and over again thus making it look like there are more then there really are.

Some people complain about the maps because they have valid points. Others complaion about the people that complain about the maps, because they don't have a point and just like to complain.

AS for the same people complaining making it look like more people complaining, lolh. Please. The brilliance in that one says it all:rolleyes: Was it fooling you Dred then you figured it out, the big plot.

So Beet can't answer the questions, can you guys?

1) Why do 90% of the fields have to be a sector or more apart on Pizza Crap?
2) Why cant there be an even 50/50 with half the fileds a sector or more apart and half the fileds less than a sector apart?
3) What would be so horrible if half the bases on Pizza Crap were moved closer together.
4) Why would that be such a big deal?
5) Why cant this map be fixed so that everyone can enjoy it?

How about some valid points to some valid questions.

beet1e · « **Reply #66 on:** April 18, 2004, 05:04:42 AM »

Well I agree with Overlag, WldThing, DREDIOCK and Rod367th. There's way too much whining about pizza, usually from the same <1% of the AH populace, and the same lame excuses get trotted out over and over.

OK Mars, I'll give my answers.

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Originally posted by mars01
1) Why do 90% of the fields have to be a sector or more apart on Pizza Crap?
2) Why cant there be an even 50/50 with half the fileds a sector or more apart and half the fileds less than a sector apart?
3) What would be so horrible if half the bases on Pizza Crap were moved closer together.
4) Why would that be such a big deal?
5) Why cant this map be fixed so that everyone can enjoy it?

How about some valid points to some valid questions.

1. As mentioned elsewhere, the flight time between pizza bases is about 6 minutes in a P47. If two sides were fighting and the fight was midway between bases, each side would have about 3 mins flying time to find the combat. Indeed, I have seen exactly that, and pushed the opposition back to their base. It cracks me up when folks say they don't have time to deal with that, but a simple check of their score shows they spend an average 3½ hours in the MA every day in some cases.

2. Ask the AKs. They designed the map, not me.

3. Because then we'd have the same meaningless arcade fragfest that we have on the small maps. Believe it or not, that is not something that everyone wants to see, despite what you may read into certain BBS posts.

4. To balance the moving together of fields on the pizza map, I would expect to see fields moved farther apart on the small maps. No way will that happen. And the slide towards furballcentric arcade gameplay will continue. We've already seen an additional week of small maps added to the cycle. We've already reached a situation whereby some of the larger maps reset to small maps for days at a time. So the week when the larger maps are supposed to up just becomes yet another small maps week. And still you whine. I can see the writing on the wall. The furball fundamentalists won't be satisfied until they have everything their own way. The pizza map is the best map for all the reasons WT says in my blue sig text. And I don't want to see it ruined just because you can't stand to see it up 2 days out of 42 - which is how long it was up in the period leading up to last Thursday.

5. See 4. You would whine like hell if fields on the small maps were moved farther apart. So why should the pizza fans concede to letting their favourite map be compromised?

Overlag · « **Reply #67 on:** April 18, 2004, 07:19:29 AM »

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Originally posted by rod367th
?take a look at who is saying pizza sucks same 20 or 30 guys. It's like watch ch1 Its the same 30 guys complain over and over about la7 or spits nikis dweeb planes ( not same 30 as hates pizza just example) Those 30 or more guys are less than 1% of players.

err the same % of people moaned about night......and where is night now?

WldThing · « **Reply #68 on:** April 18, 2004, 10:20:25 AM »

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Originally posted by opus
WldThing, you flies Hurri ?

Yes sometimes, like when im perk whoring

(Which is quite a bit some time)

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** April 18, 2004, 10:22:21 AM »

hmm... if the people who enjoy furballing say that there is no action on the pizza sucks map and there are 30 (I say a lot more) then that is more than 1% of the players... Why then do we not get whines except from a few on the other maps?

Pizza sucks map wins hands down for amount of people complaining about it. there is a reason.

wildthing... if you can't see the silliness of metavoss and bettle telling us what a furball is then you are more out of it than I had thought.

lazs

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #70 on:** April 18, 2004, 10:35:21 AM »

lazs there are furballs on pizza maybe you should try opening your eyes and looking for them.

probably the only reason you like those small maps and trinity is because you dont have to look to find a furball.

SlapShot · « **Reply #71 on:** April 18, 2004, 11:11:08 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Well I agree with Overlag, WldThing, DREDIOCK and Rod367th. There's way too much whining about pizza, usually from the same <1% of the AH populace, and the same lame excuses get trotted out over and over.

OK Mars, I'll give my answers.

1. As mentioned elsewhere, the flight time between pizza bases is about 6 minutes in a P47. If two sides were fighting and the fight was midway between bases, each side would have about 3 mins flying time to find the combat. Indeed, I have seen exactly that, and pushed the opposition back to their base. It cracks me up when folks say they don't have time to deal with that, but a simple check of their score shows they spend an average 3½ hours in the MA every day in some cases.

2. Ask the AKs. They designed the map, not me.

3. Because then we'd have the same meaningless arcade fragfest that we have on the small maps. Believe it or not, that is not something that everyone wants to see, despite what you may read into certain BBS posts.

4. To balance the moving together of fields on the pizza map, I would expect to see fields moved farther apart on the small maps. No way will that happen. And the slide towards furballcentric arcade gameplay will continue. We've already seen an additional week of small maps added to the cycle. We've already reached a situation whereby some of the larger maps reset to small maps for days at a time. So the week when the larger maps are supposed to up just becomes yet another small maps week. And still you whine. I can see the writing on the wall. The furball fundamentalists won't be satisfied until they have everything their own way. The pizza map is the best map for all the reasons WT says in my blue sig text. And I don't want to see it ruined just because you can't stand to see it up 2 days out of 42 - which is how long it was up in the period leading up to last Thursday.

5. See 4. You would whine like hell if fields on the small maps were moved farther apart. So why should the pizza fans concede to letting their favourite map be compromised?

1. You are embelishing quite a bit in this answer. Yes there are some trips that quick, but the majority of the trips are twice as long as that, and longer. Don't try to qualify/justify your point with examples that strengthen your position ... look at the total.

Your super sleuthing of Delirium's online play does not give you the right to use "they" and "their". Again, you are taking a very small sample and applying to the whole which is something you do a lot of.

2. AK don't own the map ... HTC does. They designed the maps to HT's spec .. back then. It is quite evident now that HT has loosened up a bit on base placement.

3. I agree. Smalls maps are a fragfest. Not enough room to spread out the amount of players that participate on an average. The small maps are over-saturated, and that sucks.

4. Where is the slide toward "furballcentric arcade" gameplay evident ?

"The furball fundamentalists won't be satisfied until they have everything their own way."

I think that this group was more than statisfied with OZKansas and so was every other faction. This map is what all maps need to strive for ... something for everybody EVERY time they log in.

I DONT hate AKDesert ... I DISLIKE AKDesert. With some tweaking it could be a very playable and enjoyable map.

The "tweaking" would be to obtain balance and not lean towards any one specific type of gameplay.

What I do like about AKDesert is the "mountian" feel which no other map presents.

beet1e · « **Reply #72 on:** April 18, 2004, 12:05:34 PM »

Slap,

I haven't measured the distance between each base on the pizza map and all its neighbouring bases. I'd do a little more research, but the damn pizza is hardly ever up these days even during its assigned week.

Not sure what you meant about Delirium.

The slide towards furballcentric gameplay is a trend arising from an ever increasing proportion of time in the MA in which small maps are up - even during the weeks when another map should be up. I addressed this in my "small maps - a creeping process" thread in which you posted. I'm not the only one whining about this. Furball (gawd, what a name!) has a thread going about this right now.

Yes I do see that having a furball designated area as on OZK is a concept worth trying. (For new maps. I don't want to see old maps tinkered with.) That's why I ran that poll: I was curious to know who did what on that map, and the proportions of who went where.

SlapShot · « **Reply #73 on:** April 18, 2004, 12:29:55 PM »

I haven't measured the distance between each base on the pizza map and all its neighbouring bases. I'd do a little more research, but the damn pizza is hardly ever up these days even during its assigned week.

Dont' bother. I have been flying this map since its introduction. Take my word for it ... it is not a "time" friendly map.

Not sure what you meant about Delirium.

He made a statement and you used his stats to then justify the "they" and "their" plural to your statement. You must find more that one persons stats to justify ...

"It cracks me up when folks say they don't have time to deal with that, but a simple check of their score shows they spend an average 3½ hours in the MA every day in some cases."

The slide towards furballcentric gameplay is a trend arising from an ever increasing proportion of time in the MA in which small maps are up - even during the weeks when another map should be up. I addressed this in my "small maps - a creeping process" thread in which you posted. I'm not the only one whining about this. Furball (gawd, what a name!) has a thread going about this right now.

Wrong. It appears to be furballcentric ... what it is is oversaturation.

Yes I do see that having a furball designated area as on OZK is a concept worth trying. (For new maps. I don't want to see old maps tinkered with.) That's why I ran that poll: I was curious to know who did what on that map, and the proportions of who went where.

There is nothing wrong with tweaking/tinkering existing large maps inorder to BALANCE gameplay ... key word ... BALANCE. I am afraid that there is no tweaking/tinkering that could help the small maps. They are and should be a thing of the past.

We probably could have had more big maps in rotation at this point, thus eliminating these small maps, but the beating that the map makers have taken on this BBS I am sure have caused them to hit the "bit bucket", which is a shame.

sax · « **Reply #74 on:** April 18, 2004, 01:36:03 PM »

Nicely put Slap