Author Topic: Do you wonder why the US troops loose the population support in Iraq? (Read 2603 times)

deSelys · « **on:** April 15, 2004, 03:50:26 AM »

When some (and I said 'some', I don't think this is a majority) act like this:

Film

Even if those guys were looters, this way of handling it is totally unprofessional.

Maniac · « **Reply #1 on:** April 15, 2004, 04:01:47 AM »

That will theach the Ragheads not to loot WOOD!

Ya Ya, La Onda For life!!

Sheesh, The US really need to stop sending their gang members to Iraq...

Maybe the Iraq war was a "Fidel Castro" tactic, send the misfits to Iraq, the prisons are getting crowded kind of deal...

Pathetic.

Staga · « **Reply #2 on:** April 15, 2004, 04:36:46 AM »

Anyone has that film where US troops shot dead already wounded Iraqi and afterwards were telling to camera how cool that was ?

Delirium · « **Reply #3 on:** April 15, 2004, 05:19:36 AM »

Those troopers are frustrated, pure and simple...

deSelys · « **Reply #4 on:** April 15, 2004, 05:33:06 AM »

I bet the owners of that car must be a bit frustrated too after this show...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** April 15, 2004, 05:41:21 AM »

I hope those guys got punished, thats outraegeus!!! And they should have had their salaries garnished to buy that guys another car.

Naso · « **Reply #6 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:07:53 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I hope those guys got punished, thats outraegeus!!! And they should have had their salaries garnished to buy that guys another car.

That's irony, correct?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:15:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Naso
That's irony, correct?

You mean sarcasm?

No, I'm serious. That kind of behavior is downright unjust and unamerican, the individuals involved should be held responsible.

Gixer · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:24:09 AM »

I guess the "Will be welcomed as Liberators" and "Cheered into Baghdad" is a long distant dream now. Though I don't think many people believed they would be other then the spin doctors.

~~...-Gixer~~

Hortlund · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:28:25 AM »

Looters have their car destroyed...*gasp* this is just too much, everyone, quickly, lets hold hands so we can overcome this horrific experience..these...these shocking video images. The responsible soldiers must be sent to the Hauge immideately to pay for their horrible crimes.

Everyone should pull out of Iraq now, and all soldiers stationed in Iraq now should have their pay cut to pay for all the damages infliced on civilian property like that.

No war for cars!!

...idiots

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:30:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
I guess the "Will be welcomed as Liberators" and "Cheered into Baghdad" is a long distant dream now. Though I don't think many people believed they would be other then the spin doctors.
~~...-Gixer~~

I love how you project this one incident to suit your preconceved biases.

Lets wait one minute till somebody who supports the war puts up a video showing the army doing good things, of coursre, naturally this means we can project that to mean all Iraqis will love us...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:32:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Looters have their car destroyed...*gasp* this is just too much, everyone, quickly, lets hold hands so we can overcome this horrific experience..these...these shocking video images. The responsible soldiers must be sent to the Hauge immideately to pay for their horrible crimes.

Everyone should pull out of Iraq now, and all soldiers stationed in Iraq now should have their pay cut to pay for all the damages infliced on civilian property like that.

No war for cars!!

...idiots

No hortlund. What those guys did was unprofesional.

Hortlund · « **Reply #12 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:35:14 AM »

Well...I disagree

What were their options? Considering that this was during the war or right after the war...

1) leave them be
2) shoot them
3) punish them...somehow...to discourage them from doing it again

They went with option 3 which IMO was the best option of the three.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #13 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:49:38 AM »

They should have found a better way to "punish" them.. You must consider proportionality... I'm surprised that you arent since you are judge, no?

Hortlund · « **Reply #14 on:** April 15, 2004, 06:55:46 AM »

What about the proportionality? What else could the take? Their clothes?

The iraqis were looting something, unclear exactly how and what, but wood was involved somehow. Presumably the Iraqis had been destroying property and breaking into homes and buildings in their hunt for loot.

So...how do you punish them?

Take their loot? Not enough punishment, and how fun would it be to drag around a few hundred pounds of firewood on the next mission?

Take their clothes? I dont think so.

Take their car? Yeah, right, like anyone would want to drag that car around Baghdad.

Destroy their loot? Not enough punishment, and it would presumably punish the wrong people too.

Destroy their clothes? I dont think so.

Destroy their car? Well... why not. It teaches them a lesson, it removes their ability to move around their loot in case they want to keep looting after the troops are gone. It hurts them but is not an overkill, nor does it cause traumatic suffering, nor is it against any fundamental human rights etc etc.