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-lazs-

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« on: December 30, 2000, 11:37:00 AM »
Ok.... Hate the damn perk points and I'm gonna "cry before I'm hurt" here and say I hate perk planes.   Unlike a much more managable "score modifier" for certain planes.... Perk points have made AH'ers even more cowardly and cautious if that's possible.  What is the point of perk planes?  To add planes into a balanced arena that would otherwise be far too unbalancing?   Whaaa?   Think that one thru guys... Maybe it is to reward cautious behaviour or to reward camping online at the expense of a life?  Or, to give the best pilots the best planes?  or, to make sure that Uber plane rants go on unabated?   How do you know if a -4 Corsair just outclimbed you or a -1?   Cause it's blue?   Also... Once you go the perk route... How do you intro early war planes?   Reverse perk?  come on a couple times a week and you have to fly P39's? Wouldn't a score modifier of say, from 1-3 for less used planes be a Whole lot better?   Wouldn't "areas" within the map for late war, mid war, and early war be a more elegant solution?   Bombers and (choke)  vehicles could follow suit.

Vehicles.... Oops, 200 online... no, 100 flying and 100 manning vehicles.   Maybe we don't have a "big enough" group to have both a vehicle and a flight sim at once much less early, mid and late war.   Like the carriers tho.

And while i'm in the mode.... What the hell is the story with CH sticks?   Wore out the last TM stick and bought one of these things... If WWII pilots had to two finger their joysticks like I have to this wussy stick.... sheesh... I'm in blackout, redout or simply burning e to the tune of the stall horn at all times.   doubt if i could kill a newborn using this thing.   And what's with the "sticksets"?   can't switch sticksets (and hence views) while holding down the hat?   In other words... hold a side view with the hat and then try to change sticksets to get side/up.. it can't be done from the stick.   Yes..I am in a bad mood.

And before you reply.... I don't like you much either.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2000, 11:40:00 AM »
Well I was going to write a nice post discussing your points above.... but in light of the last line I think I'll be just as far ahead to just say:

BITE ME!  

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2000, 11:48:00 AM »
wow, I guess you really set the tone here...

will not reply on the first half of your breath holding, baby acting, little blue in the face tantrum. But as to the CH stick, i ve been using a combat stick, pro throttle , pro peddals, for 2 years and I am absolutely satisfied with mine. If ya like I can send you my template, and or show you my settings... best I can do.

Please go take a nap, maybe have a valium or 2.

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2000, 12:15:00 PM »
Lazs, as you well know, I used to be the main voice promoting CH to the squad.  I now feel that CH is short for CHit.

I have the combatstick, pro throttle and pro pedals.  The design of the throttle connection to your computer is awful.  There are many times where I can either have my keyboard work or my js setup...but not both.

What good is speedkeys (i.e. the throttle) without the keyboard working?  I have sent my throttle to CH several times (love that postage) and they could never find anything wrong.  They did replace the throttle once with a new one...nice touch, I might add.

Even with this good service, I am now in the market for another JS.  Any suggestions out there?

Pat
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2000, 12:38:00 PM »
 Cowardly is probably not the right word to use,considering this is a game. However I do think perk points may change the way people fly somewhat. One mission last night would be an example. I had just shot down a b17 and then engaged 3 coalt fighters.
 If I was thinking "perk" points I should have avoided them. Of course I ended up cyberdead,but I was bored and wanted to shoot at something.
 Once we have perk planes added and people know how many "points" they need to get what they want, thats when you will see a real difference. It remains to be seen how well it works , but its my opinion that once its set up right, perking will improve the game.

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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2000, 12:49:00 PM »
Perks:  You are jumping the gun.  I agree that the scenario you describe would suck, but it's not clear it will happen that way.

Vehicles:  I don't know what you were talking about.  I was flying for Knights last night and had no problem finding bandits.  Several times I took on 5-10 Bishops near A19.  I also think the novelty of manning ships' guns and PT boats will wear off.  When tanks were first released, a lot of people used them, then people went back to planes.

CH Sticks:  If your forearms weren't so well developed from "exercise" then I don't think it would be a problem.    

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2000, 12:58:00 PM »
 
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And before you reply.... I don't like you much either.

Shut up you hamster noodle.

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2000, 01:01:00 PM »
Only problem with my CombatStick is that its wearing out  
Try next time adjust those stick scalings, might help alot...
I have made stick response alot less sensitive, which really helps to have accurate aim.

I say that C hog needs to be perked, because its truly pathetic to see them used alot more than D hogs.

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2000, 01:06:00 PM »
Hey, -lazs- that's a good point! Forcing guys to fly the p-39 would wise them up real quick. I might make that a squadron order some day (that'll be real popular).

Okay, this is where I come out and sound like a jerk.  

I know you don't like me. When I fly the right way, I won't engage with a mere 5k alt advantage. Simply not enough E advantage, unless I'm hot, for my form of attack.   But, don't worry. I've been away from AH for awhile. Come kill me when I get back on and I'm flying like a dweeb.   I'll get even, I promise.

Jerkism off.

On the stick thing I've never had any luck with any stick. CH used to last for a long time, but my most recent sticks become trash way too fast. I tried TM. None of their stuff lasted long enough to get to know, and the really expensive stuff didn't work right. CH has always worked for me, it just doesn't last. I tried Saitek. Their early stuff too, which made me give up on them. I've heard their new stuff is better and I can tell you they have the better approach. If I can find a Saitek setup that won't break (that's what happened, it was a physical limitation) I'll own one forever. I always hated TM too much to buy more then the first three that I did.

When I checked out Microsoft's Sidewinder junk I decided Microsoft was better off in software.

Why can't any of these guys build a spun titanium grip on a mil-spec gimbal and outfit it with mil-spec pots, switches that won't gum up, and state of the art circuits? I hate spending $300 every six months to a year. Make something priced in the $500-1k range that will last, and then discount the crap out of it! I'm a poor man and I can't take these constant refits.

Voss 13th T.A.S.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2000, 01:27:00 PM »
I'm with Voss on that last point  

CH is good stuff, but it doesn't last...

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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2000, 01:37:00 PM »
I suggest that there be perk bases. The perk planes can only be flown from selected bases. If you capture the base you get the plane. Also limit the number of the perk planes available at the bases. Anyone can fly them 1st come 1st serve. Then tie them to the strat. If your refinery gets bombed (or something like that) no perk planes even with perk bases. This would get some bombing going on. Seems like the new map and perk point fever has almost stopped the buffs. I haven't seen a B24 since the 1st day of the new map. Matter of fact (on the Rook side at least) the over all cooperation has dropped since the new map and system has come out. I do like the idea of perk type stuff but I think a little modification as stated above would make it better.

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2000, 02:24:00 PM »
Ok, feel better now... don't do drugs anymore but I did do some 0-60 runs in my Healey.

funked... oh fleecer of the blue haired set..... I admitted that I am crying before I am hurt but I simply can't see a way that introducing uber planes into an otherwise balanced arena would be a good thing..  if they are rare then they will be despised less often but then what would be the point in the first place?   And.... the people flying em would be the ones you would least like to see in one.   If they are not rare then why not just make it an "anything goes" arena?   No, I don't see why we couldn't just have 3 different areas in the same arena.   People could not only track what was going on in all the "areas" but could jump from one area to the next depending on what they wanted to fly.

jochen... I thought part of your probation was that you were to stay away from hamsters?

vehicles?   sure, as the novelty wears off less people will man em but as the novelty wears off.... less people will be on line.   That's why different arenas have never worked.   People don't go to an empty arena.   You can't get people to log off and then on to another arena.   One big arena with 3 different areas  would be a simple solution to the problem IMO.

Perk points?  Can I give mine to anyone I want?   I certainly will never use em.   I have no patience to fly a perk plane for more than a sortie or two without dyoing anyway.   No, I would give mine to drex or hooligan since that would make them more or less invulnerable and keep them in perk planes forever therefore.... proving my point.

CH springs... you guys are kidding right?   Pull it (the stick) to one side with your pinky, let it go and boooing.. Seriously, how weak are some of you guys?
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2000, 02:48:00 PM »
Lazs FWIW I learned flight sims on the original CH joystick (circa 1984) which had about a 1" stick length.  So I learned to fly with the edge of my hand resting on the table or stick base, moving the stick with my thumb and first two fingers.  This gives a lot finer control than using my whole arm.  CH sticks are perfect for this.

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2000, 05:02:00 PM »
You know what? Real Flight (a flight sim for R/C guys) comes with an interface to plug in a transmitter. My JR Galaxy 8 would offer precise control if I could get it to work with AH. I know it can't work this way (not my luck), but imagine if you could utilize the functionality of its programming!

Man, I want that!  

Voss 13th T.A.S.

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2000, 08:41:00 PM »
voss we probly agree on the stick thing... with all the talent in the FS community you would think someone would come up with an infinitly adjustable, titanium stick that was simple to program and bulletproof... The talent is probly reading this right now.
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