Author Topic: No swastikas (Read 1927 times)

Joker312 · « **on:** May 09, 2004, 09:31:29 AM »

Skuzzy,

I understand your right to refuse skins with swastikas but I dont understand the reason. We play a game that involves aircraft that the LW used during the war. Those A/C were decorated with swastikas. Whats the big deal?

I am very sympathetic to the attrocities that the third reich committed throughout the conflict. I am equally unsympathetic to the current rash of PC BS that appears almost everywhere and now it seems to have reared its ugly head here.

If there is some other reason to alter a historically accurate model of a WWII German aircraft. I would love to hear it.

This question is by no means is confrontational, please dont take it that way. I also do not wish that the decision be changed, My only motivation is to understand why anyone would be offended by just the swastika and not the national markings or the planes and tanks alone.

Thanks in advance for your explanation.

straffo · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2004, 10:29:48 AM »

What about doing a search on this forum ?

Search result

Shane · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2004, 10:37:46 AM »

it's very simple....

in some countries in europe it is illegal to display the swastika. so unless HTC is willing to cut loose a chunk of his customer base, he has to play by their rules.

do a google.

Joker312 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2004, 10:54:36 AM »

I have heard that but this is not for display in another country, unless playing an online sim is to be mistaken for publicly displaying a forbidden insignia.

Besides we already have swastikas on the Finnish 109 or is HTC allowed to do that because its not a german plane?

Joker312 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 09, 2004, 11:17:49 AM »

Straffo,

Thanks for pushing me in the right direction. I did a search and found out what I was looking for. Consider this matter closed.

straffo · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2004, 11:17:50 AM »

It's allowed because it's not a swastika : it's a Von Rosen cross.

straffo · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2004, 11:19:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Joker312
Straffo,

Thanks for pushing me in the right direction. I did a search and found out what I was looking for. Consider this matter closed.

I'm sorry to not have pointed your the right thread , I was to lazy to re-dig into the threads

btw I hope I didn't sounded harsh on my previous post ,I was in a hury so my answer was quite short

BenDover · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2004, 11:49:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Joker312
Besides we already have swastikas on the Finnish 109 or is HTC allowed to do that because its not a german plane?

Its not THE swastika though.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2004, 09:33:10 PM »

I though it was okay so long as it wasn't for anything but historical representation reasons and not political affiliation? I'm curious is the History channel programs on WWII banned from those countries because it shows these things?

I too can understand why many would not want this but as far as loosing customers because it's historically accurate I don't know. I know I had read somewhere that there was a fine line as to how and when the swastika could be shown and I wanna say it was only for historical reasons.

BenDover · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2004, 01:58:54 AM »

Games don't constitute as historical references though.

Flyboy · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2004, 01:32:23 PM »

i will not fly in a plane that have a swastika on it.

6GunUSMC · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2004, 08:49:01 PM »

Yet we have a Red Star on Russian aircraft representing the Murderous Stalin regime. Communism today still imprisons over 1/4 of the world population. Remember Stalins purges, and the murder of German POWs as well as Jews??? - Somehow history no longer gives him the recognition for treachery he so richly deserves. To those who believe that Communism and Communists have changed need not look back beyond the June 4, 1989 massacre in Tiananmen Square. The Third Reich lasted 12 horrible years, but summing up all of the atrocities comitted during those 12 years is paled by comparison to those that have been comitted in the 86 years of Communist regimes, and the numbers are still being tallied day after day. YET people are worried about a display of a swastika - that is completely historically accurate - of a symbol of a party that as a political influence is DEAD. Its leaders who ordered the crimes be comitted are DEAD. I am more offended by the display of the Red Star which was adopted by Communist nations around the world because they are a great evil that continues to thrive to this day. I am completely sick of Political Correctness in all forms. It is time for people to start calling things what they are and to stop worrying about who will be offended. You will NEVER satisfy everyone, thats a given. Just my $0.02.

moot · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2004, 09:15:23 PM »

say that to the next german you meet.

Rolex · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2004, 09:40:34 PM »

I hear what you're saying, but the nations whose people were subjected to the atrocities of the nazi's chose to ban the symbol long before political correctness became popular. I think we can still enjoy AH without the symbols, don't you?

I'm really not trying to be argumentative because I find communism repulsive also, but I don't think over 1,250,000,000 people are in communist prisons. Using imprisonment as a measure of a society can backfire since, unfortunately, the U.S. has more people in prison and a higher percentage of population in prison than any other nation on earth.

Kweassa · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2004, 12:03:27 AM »

[joke] The US prison system is actually a welfare benefit.

Find a bum on a street? Send him to prison - shelter, food, warmth, and some manly love. [/joke]

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The red star of the communist symbol hardly stands for Stalin alone.

Though it'd be pointless to start a political thread of this explaining why the meaning of Communism to history is sorely different from the meaning of Fascism to history, a much simpler(yet effective) scope of view may be taken - whatever the irreconcileable differences there may be between capitalists and communists, still, they both agreed that fascism was the common enemy of both.

Not to mention the fact that the spread and variety of communism and socialism as a social experiment, has taken various different steps in various different countries.

Italy was a fascist country during the years of WWII, but portraying the Italian fasces on a plane would not be disallowed, unlike the German Swastika. In that sense, the German Swastika, and/or any variant of it symbolizing the German brand of political fascism, holds a unique place in human history. The indecency and horror of what the symbol holds, is absolutely unmatched by any other. While the color red, and the symbol star, would be something that may still be held in a proud heritage to many communists who were never/and currently in no way, affiliated to the Soviet interpretation of "real socialism", the same does not hold for the German Swastika.

Coming from a country that was under Japanese imperial rule, I don't find the portrayal of the Hinomaru in these such games offensive - but if the legal limits of other countries shall prevent the use of the German swastika(which I also do not find any meaning to it when its used in a game), while I do not understand it, will have but no choice to abide by what is set.

*Shrug* Thus, no swastika for the German planes I skin. Looks a bit empty/missing but oh well...... !!