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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2004, 03:59:47 PM »
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anyone else see this one brewing?




No, but it is going to be hilarious watching our 'Free Trade' President try to defend our farm subsidies; and then lose again.

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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2004, 04:15:32 PM »
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Then again Europe started 2 WWs so why not a third?


Um...I thihk WW3's already here...and the Europeans didn't start this one.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2004, 04:45:05 PM »
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Captain, I am detecting a high concentration of trollium here, I suggest we beam up.

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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2004, 04:51:30 PM »
Canada (US's largest trading partner), does over a billion dollars of trade with the US.... a day.

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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2004, 06:05:10 PM »
While you fret over the EU and it's economic threat to the US the silent Japanese are building their Uber Mecha arming planning and building with all the income they get from their cheap automobile and eletronics industries, you shall see when japanese attack Pearol harboh again with  20' tall mecha with guns and missiles and stuff you'll see !

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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2004, 06:13:34 PM »
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Canada (US's largest trading partner), does over a billion dollars of trade with the US.... a day.


post link please.
( i have small doubts that Canada is No.1... it could be china)
Problem is not how much money does flow. But whats diference between import/export.

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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2004, 07:27:18 PM »
US Gov website: http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/top/dst/2003/12/balance.html


2003

 CANADA                                             393.65 Billion
 MEXICO                                             235.53 Billion
 CHINA                                               180.80 Billion
 JAPAN                                                170.09 Billion
 FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY        96.89 Billion
 UNITED KINGDOM                                76.56 Billion
 KOREA, REPUBLIC OF                           61.06 Billion
 TAIWAN                                                49.09 Billion
 FRANCE                                                46.29 Billion
 ITALY                                                    36.01 Billion

We more than double the trade the US does with China. Pretty much dwarf everyone else.

Reminds me of everyone thinking the the biggest oil supplier to the US was some middle eastern country. Bzzzt again.

Whyssat so hard to believe Lada et al? It's the igloo thing, right? :)

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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2004, 07:30:38 PM »
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Problem is not how much money does flow. But whats diference between import/export.


The difference.... the US ran a $123,960.74 million deficit with us in 2003. They bought more of our stuff than we bought of theirs. That's pretty representative over the course of a number of years.

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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2004, 08:35:24 PM »
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$94,262,100,00
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Thats pocket change to the US economy.  EU can consider that a lunch tip.


If by "pocket change" you mean "just compare it to the existing trillions in debt and it's a relatively small amount" kind of way...then yea, I agree.
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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2004, 08:35:57 PM »
Here is what I have believed is  possible in Europe:

I think a war in Europe is possible between EU states that could trigger another world war some day. The reason I feel this is not based on "fear" or "euro bashing" like some have said to me before, but rather it's based on human nature.

The EU will some day be all the all controlling influence in Europe. Even countries that are not in the EU will be beholden to it economically. Member state's will be required to keep up economically. Some day, it is not so hard for me to imagine a member state being slighted or brushed aside and left totally helpess, with little voice in it's affairs. I believe that a war could  be caused due to member states being treated not as equals, but as pawns.

Wars have started for far less reasons. I just see a powder keg over the intangeling mess of EU control over soveriegn states affairs. And the economic bond will at first  be good, but may end be the  chain that keeps member states in line and ultimatley controlled.

It will be interersting to see how it plays out. I really feel for the UK. The UK is getting dragged into this weather it likes it or not. The UK MUST bi in the EU for economic reasons, yet I'm not so sure they really want to end up giving up so much of their sovereignty.

I'm by no means up to speed on all the legalities of the EU, I just sort of have had this gut instinct that it's a powder keg ready to go off some day.

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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2004, 08:41:55 PM »
What worries me is just how democratic this new euro superstate will be.

Will there still be independant national governemts? Will they have any power to cater to and freely argue the needs of their people?

How much power will the new class of unelected bureocrats have? Where will the majorirty of them  come from, which countries, schools, philosophies?

How will they be accountable to the people?

How much corruption and back room dealswill there be?

How transparent will the process be?

Will the EU become a bureocratic state like post ww2 growth era Japan?

Will there be strong multinational political parties to counter and check the EU  bureocrats?

To me these are far more pressing and disturbing issues than fantasies about a war...

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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2004, 08:46:44 PM »
Grun, all of the things you posted are some of the same reasons wars have been fueled by. I wouldn't be so fast to rule out a war based on any one of these concernes.

War is not something that is rare to occurr.....in fact it's more difficult for people to live in peace than it is to have war. War is in man's nature and that won't change any time soon. Combine all the elements of different states being controlled with little voice, and you have as good a chance at war as anything in history.

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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2004, 09:00:51 PM »
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later dudes

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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2004, 09:01:26 PM »
We are the world.
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2004, 09:04:02 PM »
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We are the world.


and...

"Ich bin ein Berliner"

It prolly all boils down to Kevin Bacon somehow.