Thanks guys, I think you misunderstood the term "pack pistol"... I don't want to use it for a concieled carry weapon, for that I would go with the hammerless 357 pocket pistol. By pack I meant back packing pistol here in Griz country. WOuldn't want anything smaller than 41 mag. The msrp on guns means squat. I paid $375, got some ammo and a holster thrown in for free. Best part is I walked in paid, walked out. I was so programed from cali's waiting period I was cought off guard. The guy I bought it from keeps the ammo I like in stock, lots of guides here cary a 41 mag, besides the griz problem, there is that most dangerious large animal here, the cow moose, very vicious....