Author Topic: Red states are welfare queens? (Read 2129 times)

mietla · « **Reply #135 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:04:32 AM »

Helping others is an exception, you seem to see it not only as a norm, but as a primary function of the government.

strk · « **Reply #136 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:05:50 AM »

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But who has the time to see if every welfare case is deserving? I mean, if that isnt your job. You set the bar too high by requiring your own approval of every case.
Remember a society is judged, as is a person really, on how they treat the weakest among them.

on edit - it is hard to take you seriously with that icon. Its a good one, but that guy just looks so incredibly shrecking butt stoned stupid that it detracts from what you say somehow.

Hey I pay taxes too. Im not posting from the welfare line, or using foodstamps to pay HT and Pyro. I pay my own way and always have, and I would help out someone who needed it if I could as long as my family was taken care of. Dont try to make me into some kind of devil because you dont agree with me.

here is the rest - you posted while I was editing it.

and its not your decision, call it income redistribution or whatever you want. That is part of your responsibility of living in this country. I believe it is a free country so we are free to leave, too.

But you can elect people, or run for office yourself, to do what you think is best. We agree that people who need help should get it. Would you deny such a person the assistance that you could provide just because you couldnt meet with them and learn about them first? that doesnt make sense.

strk · « **Reply #137 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:06:21 AM »

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Originally posted by mietla
Helping others is an exception, you seem to see it not only as a norm, but as a primary function of the government.

now where in the hell did I say that?

mietla · « **Reply #138 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:06:48 AM »

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Originally posted by strk
on edit - it is hard to take you seriously with that icon. Its a good one, but that guy just looks so incredibly shrecking butt stoned stupid that it detracts from what you say somehow.

you are not trying to belittle me based on my looks, now are you?

mietla · « **Reply #139 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:09:39 AM »

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now where in the hell did I say that?

you did not say it directly, that's why I used a phrase "you seem...". It's just my impression of you based on your posts.

strk · « **Reply #140 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:14:53 AM »

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you are not trying to belittle me based on my looks, now are you?

Whew is that really you?

smurfy

Now me on the other hand, I am a handsome devil. Chicks dig me. I can get laid at a revival meeting.

strk · « **Reply #141 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:20:39 AM »

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Originally posted by mietla
you did not say it directly, that's why I used a phrase "you seem...". It's just my impression of you based on your posts.

well look a little closer, because that is not what I am saying. My big things are education, health care, finishing Iraq right, paying off the debt and responsible use of our military, not necessarily in that order on any given day.

Now you may very well have a problem with some of that, but you wont hear me very often arguing that we need to provide more welfare. It is a state to state thing and I bet that some states could use some improvement, but its not one of my issues.

Frankly Id rather make sensible, sustainable opportunity happen.

are we straight on that now?

mietla · « **Reply #142 on:** May 20, 2004, 01:31:11 AM »

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Now me on the other hand, I am a handsome devil. Chicks dig me. I can get laid at a revival meeting.

I have to use my HAT for that...

http://forums.checksix.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=2098&PN=1&TPN=1

Tumor · « **Reply #143 on:** May 20, 2004, 03:39:39 AM »

Why is it "The Rich" that allways get called on to do more than thier fair share? Didn't "The Rich" generally EARN thier status? Ok, lets say it's family money.. I'd still guess someone EARNED thier keep. Lets say you strike it "Rich" and set your children up with a nice life... want some self-appointed do-gooder taking it away from them? Really? Tax the rich tax the rich tax the rich. Who the hell do people think pays the real price when "the rich get taxed"? The RICH?? LOLOL

strk · « **Reply #144 on:** May 20, 2004, 07:25:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Why is it "The Rich" that allways get called on to do more than thier fair share? Didn't "The Rich" generally EARN thier status? Ok, lets say it's family money.. I'd still guess someone EARNED thier keep. Lets say you strike it "Rich" and set your children up with a nice life... want some self-appointed do-gooder taking it away from them? Really? Tax the rich tax the rich tax the rich. Who the hell do people think pays the real price when "the rich get taxed"? The RICH?? LOLOL

only income is taxed, not wealth

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #145 on:** May 20, 2004, 08:03:54 AM »

Not only income...

Consumption of fuels, communications, electricity, ad infinitum...

Locally, gov'ts tax property, sales tax, vehicle tax, vehicular fuel, luxury tax, system development fees for new utility hook ups, ad infinitum...

Wealth of business is taxed in inventory tax, however if you mean inner wealth, you may be correct.

lazs2 · « **Reply #146 on:** May 20, 2004, 08:24:14 AM »

"But who has the time to see if every welfare case is deserving? I mean, if that isnt your job. You set the bar too high by requiring your own approval of every case.
Remember a society is judged, as is a person really, on how they treat the weakest among them. "

This is seriously laughable and naive.... spoken by the true liberal that has never been around the poor because they really aren't "people" persons in any case.... they love humanity but hate people especially like... rich people and people who aren't "compasionate" like them..

Point is.. No one has the time to see if every welfare case is deserving... even if it were possible to tell with any amount of study if one was "deserving" or not... I contend that this kind of help has helped us right into generations of welfare recipients... ruined countless lives. but... even if it were possible to help people with a doled out subsistence pay... it is a proven fact that our government doesn't know how to do it. I think I have helped more people on a personal level than all my taxes have ever done by far.

everything the government does is crap. The thing to do is keep as much money as you can so they have less to spend on more crap programs.

If you have to give em money give em money for the defense and for the food supply and for keeping the corporations healthy... otherwise, there is no hope for anyone.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #147 on:** May 20, 2004, 09:20:05 AM »

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Originally posted by strk
and its not your decision, call it income redistribution or whatever you want. That is part of your responsibility of living in this country. I believe it is a free country so we are free to leave, too.

This is where you validate Mini's assessment:

"At some point, the lower 51% is going to realize they can vote themselves the other 49%'s income."

From your statement, it's obvious you've realized it. And you require that the sheep hold still to be sheared or that they leave THEIR country.

Clue in pal; the sheep WILL leave. Happened in England in the 60's and 70's. Then who will the do-gooders stealing other people's money prey on?