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« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2004, 09:38:54 AM »
with the tax system we have now (higher percentage the more you make)  I always thought a fair system for children would be to look at the money as divided into the number of people it suports.  

for example, I make about 55k and suport 5 people on that money.  so tax at the 11k per year % rate.

it seems like they over complicate the system just so acountants can find work.

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« Reply #121 on: May 18, 2004, 09:43:53 AM »
To this thread I offer the immortal words of my oldest granddaughter when she was four, "who cares?"

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« Reply #122 on: May 18, 2004, 09:48:08 AM »
Choice or not it comes down to this.

If we are going to recognize the union of 2 people for the purpose of taxation, inheritance, hospital visitation etc... then it is immoral and IMHO illegal to discriminate against those unions based on sex.

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« Reply #123 on: May 18, 2004, 11:58:09 AM »
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I have no problem with gay men so long as I don't have to look at it.   the human nature is to emphasize.  If you see a couple you put yourself in the situation.   It is completely natural for a heterosexual man to feel queasy when seeing gay displays of affection between two men (if yu are a male) and not be too upset by seeing two women together..  

Besides that tho.. there is a financial burden to gay marriage.   It costs us money... if they get tax breaks or health care then we pay for it.   I would not be against gay marriage if it did not entail any financial giveaways.

If gays married and had the same legal contract as everyone else then courts would have a more difficult time in discriminating against men in heterosexual divorces tho....

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They pay for your marriage privileges, you don't seem to object to that...

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« Reply #124 on: May 18, 2004, 01:33:22 PM »
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Choice or not it comes down to this.

If we are going to recognize the union of 2 people for the purpose of taxation, inheritance, hospital visitation etc... then it is immoral and IMHO illegal to discriminate against those unions based on sex.


There I agree with you.  And I as most Americans would be willing to allow a type of legal civil union for those purposes.  However the foundation of human society is the family.  The partnership between one man, one woman and their progeny.  It should remain so.  If they legally adopt a child then by all means that child should be included.

Don't allow Adam and Steve to be married allow them equal treatment under law.

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« Reply #125 on: May 18, 2004, 01:39:23 PM »
If being modern means a visit from the Keister Bunny, just call me Kronk the Neanderthal.

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« Reply #126 on: May 18, 2004, 01:51:01 PM »
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There I agree with you.  And I as most Americans would be willing to allow a type of legal civil union for those purposes.  However the foundation of human society is the family.  The partnership between one man, one woman and their progeny.  It should remain so.  If they legally adopt a child then by all means that child should be included.

Don't allow Adam and Steve to be married allow them equal treatment under law.

Hmmm, separate but equal.  That sounds like a good idea.
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« Reply #127 on: May 18, 2004, 01:59:40 PM »
gays dont want "seperate but equal" anything less than equal marriage is discrimination.  Dont see how one can be discriminated against based on a sexual perversion but the godless liberal left has made sure of it.
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« Reply #128 on: May 18, 2004, 02:11:26 PM »
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Hmmm, separate but equal.  That sounds like a good idea.


Homosexuals aren't a minority, they are a group of vocal deviants pining for broad socialacceptance which they will never have, except from the redicoulous extreme left.

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« Reply #129 on: May 18, 2004, 02:30:11 PM »
MT and thud... it all depends on what you consider marriage to be..   If family is important... the raising of future Americans then that is what you/I are paying for.  

It matters not if I agree or disagree but... paying for same sex marriage can have no benifiet to me whereas if children are raised it is of possible benifiet.

so we need to define what it is that we want out of marriage..

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« Reply #130 on: May 18, 2004, 02:45:06 PM »
The real solution is to outlaw the civil recognition of religious sacraments.

All "couples" should be required to get a civil decree of union or whatever the heck you want to call it. We are just being hypocritical by endorsing religious marriage anyway.

Nothing stopping anyone from getting married in a church, you'll just need the civil contract to reap the civil benefits.

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« Reply #131 on: May 18, 2004, 03:07:16 PM »
Agreed
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« Reply #132 on: May 18, 2004, 03:51:29 PM »
There is a predominently gay town here in South Florida, it's called Wilton Manors.  They have a place of worship there that advertises "love without judgement".  This really struck me.  It must be hard to be gay.  Even now in our supposedly enlightened era homosexuality is not accepted by the majority of people.  It never will be.

 If had a son or daughter that was homosexual it would grieve me terribly.  I wouldn't love them any less though.  From that perspective I can empathaize.  If an offspring of ours were to choose that life style and if they accepted my advise I would encourage them to keep it to themselves.  It's no one's business what anyone does in their home.  But it would no doubt be a very tough row to hoe, and all up hill.

 Homosexuals may find "love without judgement" from their peers, parents and some friends but not likely from society in general.

 While God in his word clearly condemns the practice of homosexuality, it is no different from any other sin.  There can be redemption if one acknowleges the behavior as sinful and confesses it as such.  Then with the power of the holy spirit perhaps that person could refrain from further sin.  If that person were to fail, God is patient and forgiving.  you can try again and again.  God does not hate the person but the act, the sin as it were.

 http://www.family.org is a nice site.  I believe there is a link to another site for a ministry called worthy creations ministry. They help repentant homosexuals come out of that destructive lifestyle.  There are many inspiring testimonies from former gay and lesbian people who have successfully come out of that lifestyle and have gone on to marry and have families of their own.

 If you intend on flaming me for this post fire away.  I posted this with no intention of offending anyone but merely to shed light upon the possibility of help to any who may be interested.  There are concerned, caring people and resources dedicated to helping you.

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« Reply #133 on: May 18, 2004, 03:53:20 PM »
Sounds like a viable solution, will it enjoy enough (political) support though?

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« Reply #134 on: May 18, 2004, 04:05:10 PM »
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Besides that tho.. there is a financial burden to gay marriage. It costs us money... if they get tax breaks or health care then we pay for it. I would not be against gay marriage if it did not entail any financial giveaways.


your always whining about to high taxes...so why dont you want anyone to receive tax breaks? or is it just because YOU wont be getting them that you dont want it? and your crying because "its unfairrrrrr" like a bloody socialist