Author Topic: Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?  (Read 868 times)

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« on: May 19, 2004, 06:41:04 PM »
Well, apparently they got it working.

1CONVERTING TURKEY OFFAL INTO BIO-DERIVED HYDROCARBON OIL WITH THE CWT THERMAL PROCESS

Quote
200 T/D (ton-per-day) COMMERCIAL PLANT IN CARTHAGE, MO An operating plant based on the CWT-TP process has been constructed in Carthage, MO next to a turkey-processing slaughterhouse.

The CWT-TP facility processes approximately 200 t/d of turkey offal and grease continuously, 7 days a week. Included in the feedstock are the offal, bones, heads, feet, blood and feathers from the turkeys. The plant produces about 500 bbl/d of 2API 40+ oil together with about 7 t/d of carbon, 8 t/d of mineral fertilizer, 12 t/d of a nitrogen-rich fertilizer, and a medium Btu gas that is used internally.


Jeez..... you think they really did it?
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Otto

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1566
      • http://www.cris.com/~ziggy2/
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2004, 08:17:53 PM »
"No war for Turkeys"

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2004, 08:21:52 PM »
Not sure. You see the part where ag waste like cornstalks can be made into a liquid fuel?

If you take all the waste laying around and derive oil from it... wow.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Nash

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11705
      • http://sbm.boomzoom.org/
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2004, 08:24:19 PM »
Whaaaaaa!

I lost the Michelangelo/Turkey Guts picture I made for that thread.

:(

Offline Nash

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11705
      • http://sbm.boomzoom.org/
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2004, 08:31:13 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by GScholz
But will it be cheaper than just pumping it up from the ground? I doubt it.


Cheaper? Prolly not. But it's cool cuz it's so Indian-like. Using every part of the animal.

eg., they ate the buffalo meat and used the hide for warmth.

We, otoh, get to eat at KFC and pump the remains into our cars. Sweet!

Offline vorticon

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7935
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2004, 08:35:15 PM »
perfect!

and now when we run out of the ground type we have something to make oil from

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2004, 08:41:45 PM »
I'm not sure; they didn't directly address that but they did say this:

Quote
The energy input includes the energy in the dry feed, the electric power used, and any purchased natural gas that must be fired.

Energy efficiency for this design of the CWT-TP process is about 85%.

Some of the CWT-TP fuel-gas must be used to operate the plant and, of course, pumps, motors, and some heaters require electric power. The energy efficiency of the CWT-TP process is generally fairly high because most of the water that enters the plant leaves as a liquid rather than as water vapor.

This is because the CWT-TP process is designed to use the steam that is generated internally to heat the incoming feedstock. Energy efficiency is only one measure of the performance of the plant.

For the CWT-TP plant shown in Figure 6, “economic” efficiency is more important. To achieve this, additional equipment is incorporated in the design to produce a saleable dry mineral product and a glycerol plus (NH4)2SO4 product.

A plant designed for a different feedstock, such as tires or plastics, would have less equipment, and even higher energy efficiency.



It's 85% efficient including the feedstock energy.

So, if you're pumping worthless waste "energy" in.. like cornstalks... and you are creating diesel fuel from that, it may well be that it becomes very competitive or even advantageous with respect to pumping oil out of the ground.

Same with the gazillions of worn out tires laying around. Lots and lots of energy in those and they are basically an intrinsically worthless item (priot to this technology).

There's some cost to pumping oil out of the ground. I wonder if 15% of the cost of a barrel of oil is energy used to "get it into the barrel."

This is going to be very interesting, I think. I'm sure they'll come out with a better economic analysis after that plant runs a while.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2004, 08:55:16 PM »
Did you read it? They basically said the TDP-40 is equivalent to biodiesel.

Quote
The product oil produced from the Carthage, MO plant is a high value crude oil that may be compared to diesel fuel. Both diesel fuel and TDP-40 consist of mixtures of hydrocarbons. The range of carbon chain lengths for diesel fuel is from about 10 to 30, with a small portion falling outside this range. Cetane, with a carbon chain length of 16, is used as a standard for diesel combustion characteristics. Cetane would be referred to as a C-16 hydrocarbon. TDP-40, and other bio-derived fuels such as bio-diesel, have shorter chain lengths and a narrower range of chain lengths. The dominant carbon chain lengths of bio-derived fuels are between 15 and 19, with only a very small portion above C-20. This
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2004, 09:07:15 PM »
The first article said that you can plug one of these right into a refinery system and using what are now "waste products" at a refinery, you can create more oil.

The oil companies have apparently expressed an interest in building these plants into their refineries already.

:) Just too good to be true..... so it probably is.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline MrCoffee

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 934
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2004, 09:17:57 PM »
Really interesting. So do we have to use only turkeys?

C2,8,10-->,C20,30 fuel

http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/509fossilfuel.html
« Last Edit: May 19, 2004, 09:20:33 PM by MrCoffee »

Offline MrCoffee

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 934
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2004, 09:30:07 PM »
API 40+ is pretty good for using turkeys.

Crude oil basics

crude oil specifications & API

Offline GtoRA2

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8339
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2004, 09:37:24 PM »
Back when the first artical got posted I looked them up on the internet, and it was in discover magazine. It all seemed legit.

Offline GRUNHERZ

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13413
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2004, 09:40:33 PM »
Neat technology!

However it will take the PETA/Eco-Terrorists 10 minutes to  find fault with it and label it as evil!

:(

Offline GtoRA2

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8339
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2004, 09:46:42 PM »
Whats sad about that Grun is you are right! LOL this is a fantastic thing envirnmentaly, you could eliminate land fills with it.

Yet they will prolly be agaist it just because it will continue the propigation of the internal combustion engine.


My solution? Feel eco freaks and peta people into the machine.

Offline ra

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3569
Remember the "turkey blood to oil" test plant?
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2004, 09:47:13 PM »
True, but now we can convert the PETA types into oil.