Author Topic: Su-35 is WAY overmodeled (Read 1614 times)

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2004, 01:53:41 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Most if not all of the advanced design features of the Su-35 is incorporated in the Su-30MK(I)(K), including the vectored thrust nozzles and canards. The Su-30MK(I)(K) is in service with the Russian, Indian and Chinese air forces. The Su-35 can more or less be considered a technology demonstrator.

What a beauty! IMHO the best looking Sukhoi.

Su30s, isnt that what india used to beat the US in a mock combat situation a couple months back?

Cobra412 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:46:08 PM »

Stabby just curious but what restrictions were used during that mock combat scenario?

LePaul · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2004, 02:47:12 PM »

Phantom of the Opera-like tune lol

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2004, 04:00:13 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
And dont they have a fire control system that allows for a look and shoot??

dude

RTFM...it's called the HO

Cobra412 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2004, 05:40:42 PM »

Who doesn't have the Look Shoot capability? Maybe not all US fighters currently but the ability is out there in some squadrons.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2004, 07:35:27 PM »

GS you might wanna do some research. The AIM-9X is fully operational with the units at Alaska receiving the first batch. Tyndall has also received some for WSEP training. They aren't fully operational on all airframes yet though. F-15 and F-18 have fired them successfully and the F-16 is just starting it's testing.

ACC

AFA

Journalist Mark Farmer

F-16 Initial Testing

Cobra412 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 21, 2004, 07:40:40 PM »

lol. I see that. I wasn't sure how much I could say so I checked first. lol

Glasses · « **Reply #22 on:** May 21, 2004, 09:42:52 PM »

Not that they need it though those AMRAAMs work pretty well

eskimo2 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2004, 10:11:58 PM »

I sure am glad the editors of this flick showed photographers taking pictures of this plane again and again and again. After all, if I buy one it will be because I want crowds of people taking my picture wherever I go! I’m also really glad the editors of this flick showed that impressive controlled high AOA speed scrubbing move 47 times; I wouldn’t think that a modern fighter jet need to be capable of anything else.

Yup, just take my picture while I quote Maverick’s, “I’ll just hit the brakes and they’ll just fly on by”, and I’m sold!

eskimo

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:58:35 PM »

It's a great F-15 copy.
F-22 will make easy meat of it.

WilldCrd · « **Reply #25 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:09:00 PM »

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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
The Raptor is in production and in service with two USAF squadrons. I believe that there are four aircraft each at Tyndall AFB and Nellis AFB. More than 20 aircraft have already been produced.

Only one Su-35/37 (Su-35 with the movable nozzles) has been produced and there are no current plans for production.

MiG

Nope Raptor is still in testing and none in "service"

http://www.f-22raptor.com/

ACC will receive the first operationally ready Raptors at Langley AFB, Va., in late 2004. The Air Force Education and Training Command officials at Tyndall AFB, Fla., are preparing to train F/A-22 pilots, as well as maintainers, General Pearson said.

Edwards officials will continue to develop the Raptor design, focusing more on developing air-to-ground attack capabilities, General Pearson said.

"With the recent successful drop of the first bomb from the Raptor´s weapons bay, Edwards will continue to expand this line of testing until we have successfully developed the required ground-attack features," General Pearson said.

Operational testers have already started planning for the follow-on test and evaluation phase of the Raptor, which includes JDAM release testing, Colonel Freeman said.

Bodhi · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2004, 01:12:16 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
AMRAAM's useless in a dogfight.

lol, thats a broad statement... the AMRAAM is a very lethal weapon, just does not turn very well... either way, dogfights are LONG GONE, and the AMRAAM and that genre are the kings of Air to Air.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2004, 03:50:16 PM »

Looking around the web, I'm finding min. range listed anywhere from 300m to 3km.

hawker238 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2004, 04:53:02 PM »

300m? That's close, probably a typo.

deSelys · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2004, 06:16:31 PM »

Maybe a 300 m shot is possible directly from the 6 of an unreacting bogey at supersonic speed. While 3 Km are needed in a HO shot (Boooooh! HO!)

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Originally posted by Funked
It's a great F-15 copy.
F-22 will make easy meat of it.

The avionics/weapon systems of the F15 are maybe superiors, but in pure flight characteristics the Sukhoi is a winner IMO.

And btw, the US pilots were making this sort of statement about japanese fighters around 1940...until they met the Zero.

Only a real combat situation would tell which one is better in this case.