18,000 al Qaeda fighters

[Creamo]

Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Noone ever argued against Afghanistan. Iraq was the boosh blunder.

Muammar al-Qaddafi would disagree. He's playing very nice after the Saddam video.

Hell, I don't care about the election, but it consumes you. At your age, I cared about nothing but stuff I can't post, so good for you. Kerry should do as bad as any President. I'll just vote for him. GWB lets the ATF do stupid ****, so Kerry it is.

I'll hate more taxes though.

[txmx]

Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
[B and that it is pretty much common knowledge that our presence in iraq has increased the ranks of al qaeda. [/B]

And what CIA white paper did you read that from there mr wizard?

[txmx]

Originally posted by Creamo


I'll hate more taxes though.

UH thats have more taxes right?

[StabbyTheIcePic]

Originally posted by txmx
And what CIA white paper did you read that from there mr wizard?

Did you read the article at the top of this thread ?

[Ripsnort]

9/11 recruited more Al Hida members than Iraq ever will.  Iraq is just sending rogue countries like Syria a message, let em camp, we camp on you.

[txmx]

Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Did you read the article at the top of this thread ?

No i have been basing all my knowledge of the worlds events on your pearls of wisdom.

[Otto]

Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
How is your glock going to stop a bomb?

That depends on the situation.  Give me some ideas..

More important, if I didn't have the Glock, would that keep the bomb from exploding?  

I'll give it up if it would......

[Gyro/T69]

Killing 4 millions americans?

Sounds like Kerry wil have to install a draft:)

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Rafe35
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/05/25/alqaeda.ap/index.html

Killing 4 millions americans?

ISS survey goals and objective from their website:
As a policy institute, it has a dual responsibility: to innovate; and to influence.

Sounds alittle Goebbel'ish..

[NUKE]

Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
I am going on the fact that the pentagon has stated that al qaeda has no links to iraq, and that it is pretty much common knowledge that our presence in iraq has increased the ranks of al qaeda.

So if Al Qaida has no links to Iraq, why would attacking Iraq have an effect on them? Are you thinking clearly, or at all?

And "common" knowledge? Give me some facts.

[Gunslinger]

If any of you think that in any way shape or form that we wont be seeing a mushroom cloud over an American city(s) in the next couple of years you need to get you're head out of the sand.

It wont matter who's president....It's gonna happen.  Iraq didnt create any more al queda than usual....they would have been like that anyways.  The key words here in bold letters are this

18,000 potential terrorists

there arnt 18,000 people ready to strap bombs to themselves but they have potential.


another interesting tidbit librals like stabby like to ignore

The estimate of 18,000 fighters was based on intelligence estimates that al Qaeda trained at least 20,000 fighters in its training camps in Afghanistan before the United States and its allies ousted the Taliban regime. In the ensuing war on terror, some 2,000 al Qaeda fighters have been killed or captured, the survey said.

WAIT you mean we didnt creat them with Iraq?

[Pongo]

Its not that complex. Terrorists are not born they are created. When you go out of your way to create a situation that pretty much validadates the terrorist orginizations world view you will create more of them. When you dump all your resources into creating them in Iraq your not hunting them as effectivly else where they will propogate else where.
When you attack Iraq(that had no Alquida) and ignore Saudi Arabi(that is practically run by them) you will allow them to propogate.
Totalitarian Iraq was very anti muslim fundimentalist, thats why Huesien was so popular with Presidents Carter, Reagan and Bush I.
Dont you know any of this Nuke? Its open knowledge and common sense.
So yes. The invasion of Iraq has and will create many "terrrorists". Thats what war does, it creates enemies.  The rest or Iraq would have normally been more against Muslim Fundimentalists. But since the enemy of your enemy is your friend, they are getting lots more support there then they would have other wise.
Just another reason why the invasion of Iraq was so stupid. Its almost like it was done inspite of all reason and only silly lies will defend it.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Pongo
Its not that complex. Terrorists are not born they are created. When you go out of your way to create a situation that pretty much validadates the terrorist orginizations world view you will create more of them. When you dump all your resources into creating them in Iraq your not hunting them as effectivly else where.
Totalitarian Iraq was very anti muslim fundimentalist, thats why Huesien was so popular with Presidents Carter, Reagan and Bush I.
Dont you know any of this Nuke? Its open knoledge and common sense.

Well Pongo, why don't you start by defining the "situation" that validates terrorism?

[Pongo]

Why did you change my words? I never said the situation validates terrorism. I said the invasion of Iraq validates the Alquida world view of the US seeking to occupy the gulf states. Do you not see that it does?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Pongo
]When you go out of your way to create a situation that pretty much validadates the terrorist orginizations world view you will create more of them.

what are refering to here then? what situation are you talking about that you feel validates terrorism?

and by the way, what words did I change?