Author Topic: Wonder how much more of this is floating around? (Read 667 times)

AKIron · « **on:** July 02, 2004, 12:21:04 PM »

Likely much more remains to be found, all that was never accounted for by Iraq or found by the UN.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124576,00.html

Lizking · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:25:49 PM »

Bush planted them, they are not "real" WMD anyway and they are old so they don't count.

(Just saving some valuable time and thread space for you)

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:26:49 PM »

~~WTG Poland.~~

AKIron · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:27:20 PM »

I know some you despise Fox News and would have linked a New York Times article but oddly I couldn't find one.

VOR · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:28:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
Bush planted them, they are not "real" WMD anyway and they are old so they don't count.

(Just saving some valuable time and thread space for you)

Oops, you forgot a couple: This find hardly counts as a "stockpile".

Iraq wasn't making any plans to actually use them on anybody.

Curval · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:29:16 PM »

lol...they bought them?

"Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June 23."

Not so sure a wtg is warrented here.

WilldCrd · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:36:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
lol...they bought them?

"Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June 23."

Not so sure a wtg is warrented here.

What do you expect....they're Polish

Sikboy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:41:14 PM »

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Originally posted by WilldCrd
What do you expect....they're Polish

That's a great idea. Mock one of our most faithful allies in Iraq.

Anyhow, better to be out the money and have the Sarin if you ask me, but then, I'm Polish, so what do I know

-Sik

Maverick · « **Reply #8 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:47:27 PM »

Wildcard,

Ever hear of a sting operation??

Eagler · « **Reply #9 on:** July 02, 2004, 12:53:38 PM »

it would not be news to some unless they were used on our troops ...

Curval · « **Reply #10 on:** July 02, 2004, 01:14:59 PM »

The point on "buying" the things instead of frigging "taking it" in a raid is that the Poles have NO idea whether they have bought it all.

They have simply made some arms dealer a nice little "mark up" on the ones he sold them. The rest could easily be still out on the market....but with a higher price.

Sikboy · « **Reply #11 on:** July 02, 2004, 01:40:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
The point on "buying" the things instead of frigging "taking it" in a raid is that the Poles have NO idea whether they have bought it all.

They have simply made some arms dealer a nice little "mark up" on the ones he sold them. The rest could easily be still out on the market....but with a higher price.

Aside from the point about the dealer making money, how would "taking it" have changed any of this?

How would that have indicated whether they took it all? And if not, how would that change the rest from being on the market with a higher price?

-Sik

Curval · « **Reply #12 on:** July 02, 2004, 01:59:25 PM »

Well, if you raid an inventory of stuff you take all that is there. If someone sells you something and tells you that is all he has you are taking the word of the seller. Not a wise plan.

It is a question of odds in this type of thing. The better odds for getting all of it is with a raid. Surely you can see that?

Sikboy · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2004, 02:23:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Well, if you raid an inventory of stuff you take all that is there. If someone sells you something and tells you that is all he has you are taking the word of the seller. Not a wise plan.

It is a question of odds in this type of thing. The better odds for getting all of it is with a raid. Surely you can see that?

No, I really don't see that. We don't know what went on before they bought the shells, we don't know what efforts were taken to ensure that all of the shells from that bunker were accounted for, or even where the transaction took place.

It sounds to me like there was an arranged deal. In that case, I wouldn't imagine the dealer would bring more to the deal than he was selling.

But that's as much supposition as your position.

I guess another way of saying it is this: was there the possibility of just "taking it" and at what price? Is there an ongoing effort to work with the guy who sold this ammount to track and find others?

-Sik

Curval · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2004, 02:35:20 PM »

Well, you're right that it is all supposition. I guess I have a little bit less faith in the integrity of arms dealers than you do, especially ones selling chemical weapons. Silly me.