AH2 dream game for vultches

[wrongwayric]

Well ya did it, after years of waiting,ya produced a game that has gone from semi-realism to the opposite! Guess the whiners won again!
Let's start with the fact that field fuel stays up, ooohhh way to stay real! If bombers cann't knock out the fields to limit the enemies ability to attack what's the point?!
Then you modeled the fighters to the point were nothing in the game really seems to kill them other than another fighter or a direct hit from a cv's aa gun.!
Maps are old and worn out, if your going to trash the realism aspect in the plane modeling the least ya could have done is gotten new maps up!
Then i hear your adding some new fighters but new bombers (B29's specifically) are not being added! Guess all the screaming for the b26 and others to be added just couldn't add up to all the vultch fest whiners.!
Personally i do not think the wait was worth it, of course all the vultch guys will reply with negative comments so once again the realism will go out of any argument that may happen.
Disgust,Dismay, and total dissatisfaction here!!!
Maybe i'll go play pong on the atari, least it stays within the boundaries it set.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Come and try Il2 online - then you'll really get upset....

[Karnak]

Originally posted by wrongwayric
Let's start with the fact that field fuel stays up, ooohhh way to stay real! If bombers cann't knock out the fields to limit the enemies ability to attack what's the point?!

Fuel was never historically limited by destroying the fuel at the field.  The point at which it was limited was always by limiting the supply of oil and, to a lesser degree, by damaging production capabilities.

I would like to see a good and functional strategic system added to AH2.

Originally posted by wrongwayric
Then you modeled the fighters to the point were nothing in the game really seems to kill them other than another fighter or a direct hit from a cv's aa gun.!

Yeah, it is soooo much less realistic to have to actually hit the aircraft you're shooting at in order to damage it.  Lets go back to AH1 where near misses often counted as hits.

What?  You were complaining about a lack of realism?

In WWII, fighters were, by far, the best way to destroy enemy aircraft.  Bombers could not succeed unescorted.

Originally posted by wrongwayric
Maps are old and worn out, if your going to trash the realism aspect in the plane modeling the least ya could have done is gotten new maps up!

The maps are updated versions of the old maps ture.  I too am looking forward to new maps done using the AH2 engine.  Once they get the Terrain Editor out we should see some nice new maps.

The aircraft are more realistically modeled, not less.  There are some issues, but you seem to have some odd ideas about realism.

Originally posted by wrongwayric
Then i hear your adding some new fighters but new bombers (B29's specifically) are not being added! Guess all the screaming for the b26 and others to be added just couldn't add up to all the vultch fest whiners.!

Where the heck did you hear this and why did you give it any credence?  HTC never says what is coming until they have artwork for it, and sometimes (P-47D-30, P-47D-25 and Spitfire Mk XIV) not even then.  The closest thing to a hint we've had was Pyro's "A fighter, a bomber and a tank" post in the "What four aircraft do you want to see next" thread.  Note that Pyro included the word "bomber".

Originally posted by wrongwayric
Personally i do not think the wait was worth it, of course all the vultch guys will reply with negative comments so once again the realism will go out of any argument that may happen.
Disgust,Dismay, and total dissatisfaction here!!!
Maybe i'll go play pong on the atari, least it stays within the boundaries it set.

That is, of course, your perogitive.  There are frusterating bugs remaining.  However much of your angst seems to be based on faulty data.

[wrongwayric]

That's about what i expected first reply tells the tale, number 1 was not talking about oil, was talking about blowing up the availabel fuel at the airfield, obviously u must believe there is an endless supply line into the field!
Fuel had to be trucked in it didn't just magically reappear to launch the next wave of fighters, therefore you should be able to kill the fuel at an airbase! It takes time for supplies in every other aspect of this game why not fuel!
Then again u missed the point were, if you are actually playing the game in anything other than a fighter which from the way u replied i doubt, the modeling is total B.S..
Guess your one of the vultch masters who believes fighters are the only thing that belongs in the game. Sad, i actually thought this game was going to be fun with the new version, but they have take n 2 steps back and 5 to the side in my opinion.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by wrongwayric
That's about what i expected first reply tells the tale, number 1 was not talking about oil, was talking about blowing up the availabel fuel at the airfield, obviously u must believe there is an endless supply line into the field!
Fuel had to be trucked in it didn't just magically reappear to launch the next wave of fighters, therefore you should be able to kill the fuel at an airbase! It takes time for supplies in every other aspect of this game why not fuel!
Then again u missed the point were, if you are actually playing the game in anything other than a fighter which from the way u replied i doubt, the modeling is total B.S..
Guess your one of the vultch masters who believes fighters are the only thing that belongs in the game. Sad, i actually thought this game was going to be fun with the new version, but they have take n 2 steps back and 5 to the side in my opinion.

Apparently you are incapable of reading history or comprehending what I wrote.

Also, what is the connection between fuel and vultching?  You seem fixated on that.  25% fuel was always plently to take off to defend a capped field, so there is no change in vultching except that the fuel multiplier has made many aircraft less able to remain on station to vultch.

You seem to hold the asinine opinion that the inability to pork the fuel at the field down to the point that offensive operations may not be run from said field in some way helps people who vultch.


Your positions are based not on and facts but entirely on your opinions and your opinions and capability to reason both appear to be garbage.  I evidently wasted time replying to you in a reasonable fashion with the intention of giving you some information.  However, it seem that you, like all idealogues, will not accept facts if they do not agree with your opinions and will then attempt to defame the bearer of said facts.


Quit.  In my opinion, now, the game would be better off for it.

[Frost]

Don't let the door hit you...Just be quiet as you leave please.

[mars01]

Well Wrongway your whine, while completely over done by now and completely rebutted to death more times than I can read, still has some entertaining value.

Wrongway your name says it all.  Fuel pork vs resupply was totally wrong in AHI.  It stopped people from fighting and no matter what your forte' in the game is that is the main point.  It should be hard to bomb things.  It should be hard to capture fields and cities and it should create and environment where people are constantly engaging.  

Could you imagine pong if the other player scored two points you didn't get to use your paddle for three turns.  Pretty stupid huh.

What is your basis and expieriance for your rantings about the flight model?  Are you a pilot do you have any real life expieriance?

God how people hate change lol.

Karnak your first post says it all but your second post, particulary at the end gets from me LMFAO.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by wrongwayric

Well ya did it, after years of waiting,ya produced a game that has gone from semi-realism to the opposite! Guess the whiners won again!
Let's start with the fact that field fuel stays up, ooohhh way to stay real! If bombers cann't knock out the fields to limit the enemies ability to attack what's the point?!
Then you modeled the fighters to the point were nothing in the game really seems to kill them other than another fighter or a direct hit from a cv's aa gun.!
Maps are old and worn out, if your going to trash the realism aspect in the plane modeling the least ya could have done is gotten new maps up!
Then i hear your adding some new fighters but new bombers (B29's specifically) are not being added! Guess all the screaming for the b26 and others to be added just couldn't add up to all the vultch fest whiners.!
Personally i do not think the wait was worth it, of course all the vultch guys will reply with negative comments so once again the realism will go out of any argument that may happen.
Disgust,Dismay, and total dissatisfaction here!!!
Maybe i'll go play pong on the atari, least it stays within the boundaries it set.

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Holy crap!

[phookat]

Originally posted by wrongwayric
Guess your one of the vultch masters who believes fighters are the only thing that belongs in the game.

I agree vultching is boring...but I see less vultching now in AH2 than before.  Partly that's because fuel can't be porked.

BTW, I hope you were not thinking that AH1 was realistic strat or something.  IMO, and I think I speak for many here, AH is a flight simulation, but a strategy game.  Not a strat simulation.  So strat parameters can and should be adjusted to make a better game.  Less fuel porkage is a good example of such an improvement, one reason being it REDUCES vultching.

[DJ111]

[wrongwayric]

pretty funny stuff here, losts of guys taking blood pressure medicine. By the way, in one day after playing pong i had figured out the proper way to hit the ball then position the paddle to keep the ball in play with no player input requierd. Left game on for 2 days! Mom was pissed! LOL

[Flit]

Originally posted by wrongwayric
Well ya did it, after years of waiting,ya produced a game that has gone from semi-realism to the opposite! Guess the whiners won again!
Let's start with the fact that field fuel stays up, ooohhh way to stay real! If bombers cann't knock out the fields to limit the enemies ability to attack what's the point?!
Then you modeled the fighters to the point were nothing in the game really seems to kill them other than another fighter or a direct hit from a cv's aa gun.!
Maps are old and worn out, if your going to trash the realism aspect in the plane modeling the least ya could have done is gotten new maps up!
Then i hear your adding some new fighters but new bombers (B29's specifically) are not being added! Guess all the screaming for the b26 and others to be added just couldn't add up to all the vultch fest whiners.!
Personally i do not think the wait was worth it, of course all the vultch guys will reply with negative comments so once again the realism will go out of any argument that may happen.
 
Disgust,Dismay, and total dissatisfaction here!!!
Maybe i'll go play pong on the atari, least it stays within the boundaries it set.

Sounds like a Vossism:D

[DJ111]

wrongwayric :



Shut your disgusting pie hole, whiner!

[Flit]

But let's not turn this into a flamefest

[DJ111]

Sorry, just tired of everyone whining about how "bad" AH is now.