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demaw1 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:08:49 PM »

very well said storch
why does all of ours always have to fight and die for these jerks,do you think someday along with fighting for freedom we can take care of these sorry excuses for humans beings too.

Crumpp · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:15:18 PM »

Hey Storch!

I thought you promoised not to do this sort of thing!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3903967.stm

Crumpp

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:23:16 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
The aggressor determines what the conditions for war will be and how it will be fought. We were attacked.

Iraqies attacked us? Amazing, and all this time the liberal media led us to believe they were Saudis under Al Qaeda. Those lying scumbags!

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Originally posted by storch
We have not responded in kind.

Damn right, we skipped over atleast 3 countries of higher threat that have far more real abilities to attack us to go after a feebled nation.
-SW

Crumpp · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:23:38 PM »

Yeah this is an informed news source! Just read these guys qualifications. A professor of MUSIC!

Not one of these Jerk-offs is even in Iraq. I'm sure their "contacts" in London keep them up with the latest update's!!

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/contacts.htm

Thier "top expert" uses:

"who pioneered a media-based methodology for estimating civilian deaths in the Afghan war of 2001-2."

HE READS THE PAPER AND GUESSES!

What does a sheep say? BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:50:39 PM »

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Damn right, we skipped over atleast 3 countries of higher threat that have far more real abilities to attack us to go after a feebled nation.

No we did not. Iraq was not only a very dangerous unknown with weapons of mass destruction it is strategically located. We now border all the major countries which exported terror AND have Iran sandwiched. AQ was reconstituting in Iraq on the Iranian border. Iraqi intelligence operatives met with AQ operatives in Europe on several occasions and prior to Sept 11th a high ranking Iraqi Intelligence official (a policy maker) met with OBL in Afghanistan. We don't know the content of the meetings but that they took place is a fact.

Crumpp

SunTracker · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:54:36 PM »

Everybody dies. Some valiant souls risk dying earlier to enable their countrymen to live a better life.

P.S.- I'm talking about U.S. servicemen here.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:58:15 PM »

Yes, we did. Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia are by far more dangerous than Iraq.

If its an unknown WITH WMD, where the shreck are they? According to the commission, not there. If they did exist, where are they? If they went to any of the countries surrounding Iraq, we just escalated the danger ten fold.
-SW

Crumpp · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2004, 09:02:04 PM »

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If its an unknown WITH WMD, where the shreck are they? According to the commission, not there. If they did exist, where are they? If they went to any of the countries surrounding Iraq, we just escalated the danger ten fold.

If they went to other countries it happenend years ago while the UN played footsie with Saddam and Europeans got rich off the oil for food program.

Crumpp

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #23 on:** July 18, 2004, 09:06:54 PM »

Then rather than invading the country in the name of world safety, we invaded a country in the name of establishing a forward assault base and bringing "democracy" to those who weren't willing to fight for it.

Hooray for that war.
-SW

Crumpp · « **Reply #24 on:** July 18, 2004, 09:31:04 PM »

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Then rather than invading the country in the name of world safety, we invaded a country in the name of establishing a forward assault base and bringing "democracy" to those who weren't willing to fight for it.

Actually we accomplished several goals. All of which in the end not only make the United States safer but help out the world.

1. We removed a horrible tyrant and are giving the Iraqis a chance at a better life.

2. We denied shelter and "breathing" space to AQ.

3. We are providing a "forum" in which AQ can come out into the light so we can destroy them. Most of the bad guys fighting us are NOT Iraqi but are rather "foreign" fighters. The Saudis you mentioned earlier, Syrians, Jordanians, Chechens, and other Arabs. Same goes with Afghanistan. There is no doubt we have to fight these guys to win this. I for one would rather fight them at their doorstep as opposed to ours.

http://www.meib.org/articles/0405_iraq1.htm

4. It's ok to be scared AKS\/\/ulfe. War is a scary thing. However you have to take risks to win it. Right now, we are winning. If AQ had the capability to attack the US they would have already. Not only that, their level of skill and professionalism has taken a NOSE DIVE. Their attacks have been clumsy and executed against the softest of targets, civilians. That is not say the United States won't experience another attack. In all likelihood we will. It takes a long time to win this kind of war. Osama Bin Laden is banking on the fact we have such a fast food MTV culture that can't stay focused for more than 10 minutes. He knows we don't have the will to stick it out. So go back to your Super sized fries and lollapalooza T-shirts. Things are under control.

5. Not only are we winning, but also the vast majority of our troops are doing the right thing every day. Making tough decisions and putting themselves in harms way ESPECIALLY to protect innocent lives.

Crumpp

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #25 on:** July 18, 2004, 09:42:29 PM »

Ah, reciting the mantra I see.

Point #1: We sure missed the point on dealing with some other far more horrible tyrants - that again pose more of a threat than Iraq.

Point #2: Not so much. If Iraq was their shelter, then there must only be a dozen or so Al Qaeda left. Somehow, I have a feeling its that times a thousand.

Point #3: Not so much. We are fighting more insurgents than Al Qaeda. How many of those terrorists there did WE create by invading Iraq? Me thinks way more than there would have originally been.

Point #4: Of all things, scared I am not. Naturally, someone who insinuates something as asinine as that from a few posts regarding a questionable conflict appears themselves as ridden with fear. You're wrong about Osama Bin Laden, he's using us to destroy ourselves. He's not attacking civilian targets so we'll forget and he can attack again. He's attacking civilian targets so people will become scared and allow the government to lead them around by the collar, and at the same time allow us to destroy ourselves. So far, he's got people damned scared. "*******s", "Sand ******s", etc. Use of those terms is fear to the bone. If you can't seperate normal muslims from the extremists in regards of who to fight, you ARE scared and Al Qaeda has you by the testicles.

Point #5: Believe what you want. I personally see this as the tip of the iceberg and its only begun to gain momentum.
-SW

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #26 on:** July 18, 2004, 09:45:11 PM »

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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Iraqi casualties

Not to mention all the civilian men women and children casualties. Its estimated between 11252 and 13213. For every one terrorist, several hundred lives have to be killed. That is the true cost of war.http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

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August 13, 1999 BBC Iraqi children under five are dying at more than twice the rate they were 10 years ago, a report by the United Nations' children's fund says. ... Unicef estimates that over the last 10 years at least 500,000 child deaths could have been prevented.

Sanctions... 50,000 children die annually

War... 11,252 to 13,213 civilians die annually

boxboy28 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 18, 2004, 09:53:44 PM »

1st off lets not confuse with look at this......with read this................2nd of on either side lets not fight about the war and or each other opionins lets discuss the issue! and show the pix of what 99% of us Angalo Americans never see (not to mention the 99% of the afro,euro, asian, etc ..Americans)!

Boy be civil and show what the casualties or war are!

And Holden ~~you made me cry!~~

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2004, 10:02:20 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

Point #4: Of all things, scared I am not. Naturally, someone who insinuates something as asinine as that from a few posts regarding a questionable conflict appears themselves as ridden with fear. You're wrong about Osama Bin Laden, he's using us to destroy ourselves. He's not attacking civilian targets so we'll forget and he can attack again. He's attacking civilian targets so people will become scared and allow the government to lead them around by the collar, and at the same time allow us to destroy ourselves. So far, he's got people damned scared. "*******s", "Sand ******s", etc. Use of those terms is fear to the bone. If you can't seperate normal muslims from the extremists in regards of who to fight, you ARE scared and Al Qaeda has you by the testicles.

-SW

So basically you are saying that Bin laden's goal of the 911 attacks was to have the government take away our civil liberties?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2004, 10:04:21 PM »

Hmmm, no.
-SW