Allah is Greatest

[storch]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Yeah, people who follow the five pillars must be evil.  


-Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;

-Establishment of the daily prayers;
 
-Concern for and almsgiving to the needy;
 
-Self-purification through fasting; and
 
-The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.



The carrying for needy one is really telling.  

Yup and pillar #1 renders the rest moot.  Shall I explain why?

[demaw1]

Pei  re:  generalization and every muslim out to get me.
  It is far from a sweeping generalization, but I do admit that with out explaination it could seem that way,to some it would always seem that way.
   There is a bottom line to everything,to the muslim who believes in and follows his faith that bottom line is everyone who is not a muslim is an infidel.What do you do with infidels...kill them...Muslim mission in life? Covert all to the faith...those you cant ,kill.With the ebb and tide of history the time they had the power to try this they did as they are trying now.Do I mean all muslims are alike of course not.But there beliefs do not waver,where was the condimnation of 9/11 in America from those that live and worship here.If any it was from individual not the institution.It hasnt been denounced in full.Everything taught to their kids in the m.e. is taught here.If those you think are peacefull here and they are,where there they wouldnt lift a finger for you,they follow the teachings.I could go much futher but wont,
 No i dont think every muslim is out to get me thats silly, but every muslim would if they could.And I am not afriad of them at all, I fear what they can do is all.
  muslim that are just culturally muslim are not considered to be muslem

[demaw1]

Yeager  re:   why?

  Because of roots as you said and because of the written word that could be studied.Before the bible people where told how and what to think from preist who supposely translated for the people. Guess what agendas could be put foreward that way.
  Now we have come to the point of understanding who killed Jesus and why putting the lie slowly to rest.
  The origins of allah was that he was a moon god,[ see post above by shuckins] mohammond created islam for the purpose of bring waring tribes of arabs together.

[stiehl]

demaw
Where are you from? Have you ever even known or met any muslims?

A muslim that strictly follows the Koran isn't a whole lot different from someone that strictly follows the testaments.

[storch]

Originally posted by stiehl
demaw
Where are you from? Have you ever even known or met any muslims?

A muslim that strictly follows the Koran isn't a whole lot different from someone that strictly follows the testaments.

You have no comprehension of either text.

[demaw1]

Stiehl   re:  met a muslim, where are you from, different from

    I am from california  [it is on the side under name,that is how I know you are from new york]
   Being from california and living among the diversty of california I have met a few muslims and have talked to a couple. Do I live among them,no...but I dont live among new yorkers either.

  A muslim that strictly follows the koran is not much different from a christian that  follows the gospels.

  With respect, they are as different as night and day.The values are not the same,their god is not the same,the teachings are not the same,and much much more.

  examples;    Why have the arabs tried so hard to destory the jews since they became a country[I know its been going on for thousands year but talking about now]
   Do they want all the oil Isreal has? gold /silver mines? huge natural harbors? long mountian ranges full of game?  No they want to because the religion tells them to and they have been taught this from little children.
  Where has a christian/jew straped bombs on babies to kill babies. The arabs say we will have final victory because we worship death,but you love life...totally oppisite belief.
  Allah is a moon god..the judao/christian God it is written made the moon.
 the koran stresses death....the gospels stress love [yes a little simplistic but true]  If you walk the street of an city in Isreal some one will likely say shalom....walk the street of an American city someone likely to say hi...Walk the street in the muslim world and we would likely see you on tv the next day dead.

[Eagler]

you think without religion they would not hate us still??

religion is just the excuse not the cause ...

[Staga]

Without religions there wouldn't be any problems in middle-east.

[Nash]

Sure there would... I'm with Eagler. The hate would just be secular.

[Holden McGroin]

Differences in religion are exploited but religion is deep within both cultures whether we are aware of it or not.  There is a draw to the exotic and mysterious but there is also fear of the unknown and that fear can be exploited.  And exploited in both the western and Islamic worlds.  

I believe that the great majority of Arabs couldn't give a rats ash about the Palestinian situation if they were not bombarded with propaganda telling them it is vitally important to someone living in Yemen.

[demaw1]

Eagler re: hate us

  You might have thought the question was easy,for me it was something I really had to think about, thanks.

  Gees I still dont know, ok ya maybe but I think it is far deeper than that. I think that without their religion they might not hate the jews.
  The reason I am of 2 minds is look at france and germany,they semi hate us,so ok yes they might find something to hate us for,but not with the viciousness they do now.

  Yes I do believe religion is the cause and only cause for them.Every thing they do is for or from their religion, gees they dont have room for anything else.No not excuse but cause.

[Staga]

""I think that without their religion they might not hate the jews""

- They don't hate the "jews" but some of them hates the Israel because its politics; thinking that the religion is the reason for the problems in there is just avoiding the main cause.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Staga
""I think that without their religion they might not hate the jews""

- They don't hate the "jews" but some of them hates the Israel because its politics; thinking that the religion is the reason for the problems in there is just avoiding the main cause.

Judaism (1300 B.C.) and Islam (622 A.D.) do not mix, or does any other one of the "million different Jyhads".    

The unique usage of Allah as a personal name of God is a reflection of Islam's emphasis on the purity of the belief in God which is the essence of the message of all God's messengers. Because of this, Islam considers associating any deity or personality with God as a deadly sin which God will never forgive, despite the fact He may forgive all other sins.   If I call my "God", "God" instead of "Allah", I just sinned.  

Btw, I live near Dearborn, Mi.  I have some friends who are Arabic, heck, my barber is Lebonese.  The use of "Allah" is almost blasphemous at times.   Just like the word "Jyhad".  

"It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic.
The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism.

This is chapter 112 which reads:

"In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."  

Talking about the pot calling the kettle black.  

Karaya

[demaw1]

Staga [with respect] they do hate the jews and have for thousands of years.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by demaw1
Staga [with respect] they do hate the jews and have for thousands of years.

Judaism is hated by Islam.  Agreed demaw.

Karaya