Author Topic: This is really gonna work... (Read 473 times)

Bodhi · « **on:** July 25, 2004, 11:15:00 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/07/24/brazil.guns.ap/index.html

The fact remains that the law abiding will stupidly allow this, and the criminals... well, they will continue bing criminals. All this will do is ensure that the rate goes up when the criminals realise that the law abiding are now easy marks.

DmdBT · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2004, 11:27:50 AM »

I'm surprised she hasn't been asked to speak at the DNC... unless she's so ugly that even Hillary wouldn't hit it.

hawker238 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2004, 11:33:09 AM »

With over two thirds of deaths to firearms, I think it would be necessary to start somewhere.

No, wait, better idea, more guns.

midnight Target · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2004, 11:33:23 AM »

That's only $50 per gun. Maybe she needs a better agent.

DipStick · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2004, 11:35:29 AM »

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Originally posted by DmdBT
I'm surprised she hasn't been asked to speak at the DNC... unless she's so ugly that even Hillary wouldn't hit it.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2004, 11:50:50 AM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
With over two thirds of deaths to firearms, I think it would be necessary to start somewhere.

No, wait, better idea, more guns.

did it ever occur to you that the same amount will likely be killed the next year. they could just use the same means that were used on the other 3rd of the murders.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2004, 12:29:07 PM »

Very unimaginable ploy. Disarm the people= Conform Comrad.
It`s even been tryed here in the U.S. to some extent. It`s really sort of funny to think that any kind of gun control would work in the U.S. First off comes the registering and licenseing of handguns and firearms. Let`s suppose your a professional criminal and you are hired to do a hit on someone. Are you going down to Al`s Firepower Emporium and purchase the gun you are going to use? Gonna do a bank job? Going to Wally World and buy the guns you and your group are going to use? I didn`t think so.
It`s so easy to buy firearms that are not even on the records it`s laughable.
The only thing these laws do is get in the average, law abiding citizens pocket when they buy a firearm. That`s what most of these assinine laws are supposed to do anyway..... generate cash and make it even more difficult to stay within the law.
Gun plans are easy and free to get. A small home garage machine workshop can replicate and produce any gun on the market now or one from the past on a fairly large scale. These guns don`t have serial numbers, etc.

hawker238 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2004, 04:08:56 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
did it ever occur to you that the same amount will likely be killed the next year. they could just use the same means that were used on the other 3rd of the murders.

Try that again.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2004, 04:40:03 PM »

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Try that again.

OK I'll walk you through it. the link claims that 68%(or roughly a 2/3) of that countries murders were committed with fire arms. murder is about killing people, it's about wanting them dead, not about having a gun and wishing you had someone to use it on.

the fact of not having guns legally available does nothing to address the real issue of the murderers wanting to see the victims dead, and their willingness to make that happen.

so if this program is 100% effective and even the criminals give up every gun in that country, when someone wants to kill another person (and it seems to happen a lot in Brazil) they will just have to find another means, as the other 3rd of the killers did last year.

or if you want the short version. to quote Archie Bunker (regarding the 86% who were killed with firearms)- "would it make you feel better if they was pushed out of windows instead"

hawker238 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2004, 05:25:47 PM »

You don't think removing a "point and click" aspect from murder would lower murder rates?

Jackal1 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2004, 06:04:23 PM »

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You don't think removing a "point and click" aspect from murder would lower murder rates?

No one will ever know because it won`t happen.

hawker238 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2004, 06:17:19 PM »

Yeah, that's true.

This conversation is over before the hardcore gun nuts get in here and attack me.

Bodhi · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2004, 06:41:49 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
You don't think removing a "point and click" aspect from murder would lower murder rates?

lol, so just when do you suppose the criminal who is gonna commit a murder is going to waltz up and just hand over his tech-9 or 9mm for $50.00???

If you believe this is gonna work, you should get your head examined.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:50:50 AM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
With over two thirds of deaths to firearms, I think it would be necessary to start somewhere.

No, wait, better idea, more guns.

actually its not 2/3rds....

its 68% of 27.1 homicides per 100,000 people. wich is roughly 18 per 100K

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According to UNESCO, Brazil has 27.1 homicides per 100,000 people -- the fourth-highest in the world. Sixty-eight percent of those killings are committed with firearms.

gun control does not reduce deaths. Enforcement of laws does.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2004, 03:10:03 AM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
Yeah, that's true.

This conversation is over before the hardcore gun nuts get in here and attack me.

Too late, I`m allready here. You are a girlie man. rofl