Author Topic: Is Kerry a hero? (Read 4499 times)

demaw1 · « **Reply #150 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:44:22 PM »

shuckins......Only for purple heart and it has to be verified.

Suburos...how can you say kerry has a stronger military background. Since 2001 bush has presided over 2 very successfull invasions, The very very great majority of combat vets respect him as cnc and believe he is watching there back[ not like johnson]
In most cases he let them fight, although there are many problems home land hasnt been hit yet[it will be] and you can find a way to compare this to 4 months...how?

SaburoS · « **Reply #151 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:46:56 PM »

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i dont remember anyone making big deal about bush jr being in national guard. show me some examples and refresh my memory? and kerry is quotes as saying that military service not matter for pres when clinton was being questioned about his service in england. you dont find hipocritical that all of a sudden democrat think military is important? most democrat politician dont give a damn about military or intelligence services. only reason they care right now is their candidiot is a vn veteran. a vn veteran who lied about his brothers in arms for political gain.

Sorry, but I don't have links. Going by memory only. That's when I first remember his being in the Air National Guard. LOL, no they didn't make him out to be a hero, either. They didn't make it a big deal.
Yeah, I find a lot of things hypocritical in politics. You mean to disagree and say the Republican party is clean in all of this? Only the Democrats are hypocritical? C'mon, I'm hoping you know better. I have absolutely no problem of any candidate (Republican, Democrat, whatever) of highlighting the positives of their background. I would expect them to. You wouldn't?
I would really like to see some specifics from the politician. Sadly, I have yet to see any. I don't have an easy choice this Nov.

Wotan · « **Reply #152 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:48:26 PM »

Kerry Admitting to war crimes

Claims many Vietnam Vets admit to widespread war crimes

Toad · « **Reply #153 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:48:44 PM »

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Being a fighter pilot -- for that matter, simply taking off in a single-engine jet fighter of the Century series, such as an F-102, or any of the military's other marvelous bricks with fins on them -- presented a man, on a perfectly sunny day, with more ways to get himself killed than his wife and children could imagine in their wildest fears.

-- Tom Wolfe, The Right Stuff.

By the same token, any fellow wearing a Silver Star deserves a lot of respect in my book.

Wotan · « **Reply #154 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:50:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
Kerry Admitting to war crimes

Claims many Vietnam Vets admit to widespread war crimes

Swift boat Veterans for truth

oops meant to edit my last post and add the other link, I hit quote by mistake...

SaburoS · « **Reply #155 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:01:20 PM »

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Originally posted by demaw1
shuckins......Only for purple heart and it has to be verified.

Suburos...how can you say kerry has a stronger military background. Since 2001 bush has presided over 2 very successfull invasions, The very very great majority of combat vets respect him as cnc and believe he is watching there back[ not like johnson]
In most cases he let them fight, although there are many problems home land hasnt been hit yet[it will be] and you can find a way to compare this to 4 months...how?

Sorry, you're talking to one who's against the war. His handling of this situation I'll just say I don't agree with and we'll leave it at that.
How about we compare apples to apples? Bush has zero combat experience. He has not seen combat, period. He doesn't know the fear of being fired upon. He doesn't know what it's like to see your fellow soldiers get wounded or killed. He doesn't know what it's like to take the life of another in combat.
Those points are important to me in a CIC if he's going to send our brave men and women in harms way.
Bush has led a sheltered life and just doesn't know what it's like. He still doesn't know what it's like. His pulling the trigger early on in Iraq shows to me that he thinks of his soldiers as pawns.
Like it or not, that's how I see it. I felt the same way about Clinton as well.

Do I think that Kerry's 'all that and a bag of chips?' No. I still have questions about him.

I won't be voting for Bush (like that was a big surprise).

I answered your question, now answer mine.

What military experiences did Bush have before he became President that led you to believe that he would be a good CIC?
Why didn't you pick Gore then? He served in Vietnam as well.

anonymous · « **Reply #156 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:10:17 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Sorry, but I don't have links. Going by memory only. That's when I first remember his being in the Air National Guard. LOL, no they didn't make him out to be a hero, either. They didn't make it a big deal.
Yeah, I find a lot of things hypocritical in politics. You mean to disagree and say the Republican party is clean in all of this? Only the Democrats are hypocritical? C'mon, I'm hoping you know better. I have absolutely no problem of any candidate (Republican, Democrat, whatever) of highlighting the positives of their background. I would expect them to. You wouldn't?
I would really like to see some specifics from the politician. Sadly, I have yet to see any. I don't have an easy choice this Nov.

my problem with kerry is the personal hypocracy. when it was "in" and "cool" to hate the military after vn war he jumped on the bandwagon when he knew better from personal experience. now thirty years gone and most of antiwar mantra and accusation are known to be naive at best intentional lying at worst and all of a sudden here is kerry the "honorable" vn vet. he betrayed every guy doing his duty when he lied before govt hearings. bad enough for some democrat hack to do so. even worse when its someone who served and knows the reality from the lies.

anonymous · « **Reply #157 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:14:06 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Sorry, you're talking to one who's against the war. His handling of this situation I'll just say I don't agree with and we'll leave it at that.
How about we compare apples to apples? Bush has zero combat experience. He has not seen combat, period. He doesn't know the fear of being fired upon. He doesn't know what it's like to see your fellow soldiers get wounded or killed. He doesn't know what it's like to take the life of another in combat.
Those points are important to me in a CIC if he's going to send our brave men and women in harms way.
Bush has led a sheltered life and just doesn't know what it's like. He still doesn't know what it's like. His pulling the trigger early on in Iraq shows to me that he thinks of his soldiers as pawns.
Like it or not, that's how I see it. I felt the same way about Clinton as well.

Do I think that Kerry's 'all that and a bag of chips?' No. I still have questions about him.

I won't be voting for Bush (like that was a big surprise).

I answered your question, now answer mine.

What military experiences did Bush have before he became President that led you to believe that he would be a good CIC?
Why didn't you pick Gore then? He served in Vietnam as well.

you are ignoring the fact that military experience not matter for cic because that is job of military advisor to cic. soldiers as pawns? you are seeing it wrong. i served under reagan bush sr. clinton and bush jr. and i dont think any cic the us has ever had has seen soldiers as pawns.

SaburoS · « **Reply #158 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:22:22 PM »

anonymous,
Thank you for your responses.

Actually I thank most here for their reasoned, heartfelt responses without resorting to the childish mudslinging. We may disagree but it was refreshing to have a civil discussion ~~! This is helping me get over the bug I got.~~

midnight Target · « **Reply #159 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:32:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Like I said. 6200 sources citing it, not one saying it isn't true. Including wikopedia

And as to our last point, let's just take it straight from the horse's mouth:

World Net Daily via Boston Globe

Alvin York was a consciencious objector at first too. Not a hero?

Martlet · « **Reply #160 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:36:05 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Alvin York was a consciencious objector at first too. Not a hero?

What has that got to do with anything I said?

midnight Target · « **Reply #161 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:41:28 PM »

You were making the point that since Kerry applied for a deferment he wasn't a hero. I think the connection is pretty clear.

Martlet · « **Reply #162 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:45:51 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
You were making the point that since Kerry applied for a deferment he wasn't a hero. I think the connection is pretty clear.

Alvin York Applied for a deferment, volunteered for safe duty, put himself in for a medal after his CO said no, left the service after 3 1/2 months in theatre, accused his shipmates of war crimes and admitted to them himself, and had every single one of his COs say he wasn't fit to be CIC?

midnight Target · « **Reply #163 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:51:38 PM »

Uh... yea.

Martlet · « **Reply #164 on:** July 29, 2004, 06:55:29 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Uh... yea.

That's what I thought.