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Offline demaw1

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Is Kerry a hero?
« Reply #165 on: July 29, 2004, 07:35:49 PM »
saburos   Very happy to answer question

   Saburos,I tell ya thanks for a reasoned and responsible answer I do respect it and good luck.


   I didnt vote for bush because of military experance,but for character and guts. I am 50/50 on his domestic policies,but he stood tall when so many tried to tear him down before election.
  When he was asked whom he admired most in history he said Jesus Christ, now I dont care if you are a holy roller or god hater he knew the lambbasting he would get from all sides of the elite for saying his truth and stuck by it.
   Also when the dems. tore him apart saying he was stupid and such yet I knew he had been a fighter pilot,no he wasnt stupid.
   When they said ah he went into the guard so he wouldnt have to go to the nam in such a demeaning way and yet defended clinton lying to stay out of service,it wasnt hard for me to see which side had at the time more charecter.Yes I know about gore..but with his changeing opinions with the wind, not to mention the stupid ideas in his book,I realize he did have a god and that god was the enviroment, and that scared me.
  Many good and brave men have said when you strap on a jet fighter you have a 35percent higher chance of dieing even in peace time.He could have been a cook.
  Fired on, no he doesnt but he has been president during the time of war and I believe any right thinking man in that position feels every bullet fired as did fdr,lincoln,clinton etc.the question is how they reack.
  He knows what it is like as president to watch 2 buildings come down killing thousands and 1 building hit killing many.No just like F.D.R. and pearl harbour,Lincoln and gettysburg,he knows and no one in the united states but him has that expearance.
  Take life in combat.
   No he doesnt not one on one. but he knows the pain of having to make the decision to take much life to protect America,and stand by that decision when so many lie and twist and try to tear America down includinf so many Americans.There was debate before the war, our troops are in harms way ,the time for debate is over untill they come home than do what u want.

  I believe there is only one point you should be concerned with,what do those in harms way think of him ,his leadership,his character.  A very huge amount of the military trust his leadership,short of nukes he gives all the weapons we have,he doesnt ask how many dead,take the city no give it back no go take it no give it back. to a point he lets the military do there job, I PROMISE KERRY WONT.
  Talk to the troops ,talk to my son, give them the person they trust because like it or not they are there. Dont amke them go thru what our generation did with johnson because a vote for kerry is the same as a vote for johnson then.

 sorry about the lenth.

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« Reply #166 on: July 29, 2004, 07:45:28 PM »
>>Welcome to the wonderful world of politics, if you can't beat him, attack him with a vengence.
Both sides play that game. Republican and Democrat.<<

Yup. Sorry I went off in some of the posts -this is just run of the mill political BS that isn't worth the time. Just vote and try to find. objective sources.

Its a "none of the above" world:(

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« Reply #167 on: July 29, 2004, 08:57:37 PM »
>>How many people in a crew? There are far more vocal shipmates against him than for him. Far more.<<

Well I'm counting 13 on the stage right now. How many can a 50 foot boat hold??? Or perhaps you're lieing to me, an if so, why?

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« Reply #168 on: July 30, 2004, 03:23:24 AM »
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No problem.  Don't forget that, though.

I'm ALWAYS right. :aok


At least once you were'nt.

And used the "run away" move.

Here, page 3:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83574

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« Reply #169 on: July 30, 2004, 04:35:24 AM »
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>>How many people in a crew? There are far more vocal shipmates against him than for him. Far more.<<

Well I'm counting 13 on the stage right now. How many can a 50 foot boat hold??? Or perhaps you're lieing to me, an if so, why?


Why does the left spin when their argument goes in the toilet?  Again, 13 people on stage.  Far more opposition on the links I posted.

Like I said, you may not like the truth, but that doesn't change it.

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« Reply #170 on: July 30, 2004, 04:38:47 AM »
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At least once you were'nt.

And used the "run away" move.

Here, page 3:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83574


HA!  Hatred and obsession run deep.  You actually read through 4 months of posts to find ONE that I forgot to reply to.

Good Job, Watson, you've outed me again!   :aok :aok :aok

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« Reply #171 on: July 30, 2004, 04:53:00 AM »
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HA!  Hatred and obsession run deep.  You actually read through 4 months of posts to find ONE that I forgot to reply to.

Good Job, Watson, you've outed me again!   :aok :aok :aok


LOL, Sherlock, after you played the arse in that way there (insults included), I did'nt forgot it, was just waiting the occasion to pop the thing up again.

:D

Hatred?

WOW, you read too much in this BBS stuff.

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« Reply #172 on: July 30, 2004, 05:02:16 AM »
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LOL, Sherlock, after you played the arse in that way there (insults included), I did'nt forgot it, was just waiting the occasion to pop the thing up again.

:D

Hatred?

WOW, you read too much in this BBS stuff.

:eek:


Sorry, I'll drop the hatred and apply a double order of obsession.  Keep digging through the archives, I'll bet you find another!  :rofl :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #173 on: July 30, 2004, 05:07:49 AM »
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Sorry, I'll drop the hatred and apply a double order of obsession.  Keep digging through the archives, I'll bet you find another!  :rofl :rofl :rofl


No need, you're still running.

:aok

:rofl :rofl

:rolleyes: :p :D :lol

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« Reply #174 on: July 30, 2004, 07:58:07 AM »
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Why does the left spin when their argument goes in the toilet?  Again, 13 people on stage.  Far more opposition on the links I posted.

Like I said, you may not like the truth, but that doesn't change it.


A CREWMATE is a person who is in the CREW. The CREW are the other people on the boat. The people you posted were not members of his CREW. His CREW are the people who served under him in battle.

Here are 2 definitions from the dictionary..

All personnel operating or serving aboard a ship. .. or
All of a ship's personnel except the officers.

Spin that.

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« Reply #175 on: July 30, 2004, 08:02:50 AM »
The guy won a Silver Star. That's a very high ranking decoration. End of discussion.

Now, want to talk about whether or not being a mighty Lt. (jg) for ~120 days in a combat zone makes you into an amazingly able world leader?

I guess it does just about as much as being a 1 Lt in a fighter Guard unit for a while does.

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« Reply #176 on: July 30, 2004, 08:04:59 AM »
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A CREWMATE is a person who is in the CREW. The CREW are the other people on the boat. The people you posted were not members of his CREW. His CREW are the people who served under him in battle.

Here are 2 definitions from the dictionary..

All personnel operating or serving aboard a ship. .. or
All of a ship's personnel except the officers.

Spin that.


No spin needed.

Earlier this year, Kerry, or his staff, released a photo of 19 swift boat sailors from Kerry's swift boat squadron with the statement that swift boat veterans supported Kerry. As it now stands, 11 of those in the photo are vehement in their opposition to Kerry, 6 can't be reached, one won't comment, and well, you figure it out. Seems the photo is the reason a swift boat veteran's group was formed to vocalize their opposition to Kerry. Go figure.
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« Reply #177 on: July 30, 2004, 08:15:15 AM »
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The guy won a Silver Star. That's a very high ranking decoration. End of discussion.

Now, want to talk about whether or not being a mighty Lt. (jg) for ~120 days in a combat zone makes you into an amazingly able world leader?

I guess it does just about as much as being a 1 Lt in a fighter Guard unit for a while does.

;)


The guy PUT HIMSELF IN for a Silver Star. His commander questioned the veracity of the whole thing, and the merit of Kerry as a commander of his boat, not to mention his decisions and performance in the action. He decided to just let it slide. He PUT HIMSELF IN for three Purple Hearts.

I have a great deal of respect for the decorations. Kerry himself, however, is another story entirely.

I would be a lot more impressed with Kerry had someone else put him in for the awards, and his commanders not questioned his performance. Never mind the fact that at least two of his combat wounds required nothing more than a pair of tweezers and a band aid.

I'd also be a lot more impressed had he done his full tour in support of his crew and the rest of the guys who were there, as opposed to taking the three Purple Hearts and asking for an early out. Of all the veterans I know, NONE took their awards to a commander and put in to leave early. One of them did get sent home early, in his SECOND tour. But since he lost a leg, he didn't have much choice. The guy who was a medic and went back TWICE, and served ALL of his in country time, HE impresses the Hell out of me.
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« Reply #178 on: July 30, 2004, 08:20:03 AM »
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The guy PUT HIMSELF IN for a Silver Star. His commander questioned the veracity of the whole thing, and the merit of Kerry as a commander of his boat, not to mention his decisions and performance in the action. He decided to just let it slide. He PUT HIMSELF IN for three Purple Hearts.
 


uh ?
it work this way in the american army , you ask for medal ?
Either I've translation trouble or there is something strange.

Usually it's the commander who request medal for his troops, not the reverse.

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« Reply #179 on: July 30, 2004, 08:20:58 AM »
I understand all that stuff.

However, his SS did get approved and they do research those awards.

Putting himself in? Cheesy, yep. Sorta like the (jg) saluting and reporting for duty last night.

Commanders don't have the final say on those awards. It might say something that while the Commander questioned it, it was still approved.

I'm willing to overlook the self-promotion and accord the decoration the respect that it is due.

Did you see the part on the Swift vets sight where it said Kerry didn't know about the three hearts rule? That his Commander told him about it to get him out of the unit?  ;)
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