Author Topic: Christians can sure be jerks (Read 3666 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #150 on:** August 01, 2004, 04:12:28 PM »

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Here are some examples of uniquely Christian laws: No sex before marriage, no condoms, no drinking. Note again the use of the word unique.

Only one of the three was addressed via an amendment to the Constitution and it was repealed. I think you've no reason to fear the other two will be incorporated.

phookat · « **Reply #151 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:08:45 PM »

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Only one of the three was addressed via an amendment to the Constitution and it was repealed. I think you've no reason to fear the other two will be incorporated.

Indeed. Which proves my position as regards to the causes of freedom of religion on America.

Arlo · « **Reply #152 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:25:39 PM »

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Indeed. Which proves my position as regards to the causes of freedom of religion on America.

Not really. Your position was that the people need protection from the church. This proves they don't.

phookat · « **Reply #153 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:26:44 PM »

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The beliefs of the various religions around the world aren't designed to be interchangeable nor do they promote the same truths. You actually have to choose what to believe and believe that the faith you've chosen will keep it's promises. If you choose poorly, you suffer for it.

What did you base your choice on? What makes you think that you didn't choose poorly?

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You may ask, "And what of the people in remote regions who've never heard of Christ or of the people that lived before Christ? How unfair is it that they shall never receive the opportunity to accept him as their savior?" The Christian faith assures that all will have the opportunity to accept or deny. How this comes to pass is not for me to know but I have faith that the Creator of the universe and master of all including time can accomplish this. But that's neither here nor there (ptp).

Actually, that is very much here. I have a reasonable explanation of it. You choose to ignore it...

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God does not suffer from MPD.

How do you know? My "MPD" explanation makes sense and is reasonable. You have no explanation except to say "I am right".

Here's another one. Say there's intelligent life on another planet, so different from us that the idea of a bible or even using books as a form of communication is unimaginable to them. Surely God would reveal their path to heaven? And surely that method would be different from Christianity. You can't say "I don't care", because if it is true, or if it is even possible that it is true, then immediately your idea that "there is only one correct path" is invalidated.

Take Funked's example. Say a buddhist is living a very proper and charitable life in his dealings with other people. If you say "he's going to Hell anyway"...certainly that doesn't affect the buddhist, but it is still not a very nice thing for *you* to say or think, is it?

phookat · « **Reply #154 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:30:47 PM »

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Not really. Your position was that the people need protection from the church. This proves they don't.

Incorrect. It proves that they *had* that protection all along. The whole "unconstitutional" thing.

And the fact that prohibition came into being proves the need for that protection.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #155 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:31:52 PM »

So, chocolate covered Cicadas. People seemed to enjoy them this year during the infestation that occured due to the 17 year cycle. Personally, I think that seems extremely disguisting... seriously, chocolate. Blech.

Your thoughts? Any other delicious animals you can think of?
-SW

Arlo · « **Reply #156 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:51:53 PM »

I see you've caught your third wind.

What did you base your choice on? What makes you think that you didn't choose poorly?

What part of faith and conviction confuses you? Like I said. I've made my choice. You're free to make yours. Don't try and make a conspiracy over it.

Actually, that is very much here. I have a reasonable explanation of it. You choose to ignore it...

No I didn't. I provided a reasonable explanation myself. Difference being, mine is based on the writings of an established faith as well as my own feelings and yours is based on just your own feelings. You feel God suffers from MPD and you think that's a good and comforting thing. I don't. Why does that make you feel like you're being ignored? Because I don't see your pov as a rational one? Well then, you must be ignoring me too.

How do you know? My "MPD" explanation makes sense and is reasonable. You have no explanation except to say "I am right".

Actually, the inverse applies. You made yours up and it feels good to you. I didn't make mine up and there's scripture to back it. If what you want to do is start a new faith, get to writing it down and promoting it.

Here's another one. Say there's intelligent life on another planet, so different from us that the idea of a bible or even using books as a form of communication is unimaginable to them. Surely God would reveal their path to heaven? And surely that method would be different from Christianity. You can't say "I don't care", because if it is true, or if it is even possible that it is true, then immediately your idea that "there is only one correct path" is invalidated.

Now you're really reaching. If it's possbile that Danebian Space Slugs from a galaxy far far away cannot conceive of Christ then Christianity is invalidated? Would you like to try to come back to Earth, now?

Take Funked's example. Say a buddhist is living a very proper and charitable life in his dealings with other people. If you say "he's going to Hell anyway"...certainly that doesn't affect the buddhist, but it is still not a very nice thing for *you* to say or think, is it?

No .... it's not a certainty. It's a possibility. It's a choice. Nice thing to say (or think)? So Christians trying to save lost souls because it is their belief that Christianity is the only salvation from hell is not nice? Interesting theory. If you truly had the open and broad mind you seem to think you do, I don't think it would offend you nearly as much.

Arlo · « **Reply #157 on:** August 02, 2004, 12:53:23 PM »

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Incorrect. It proves that they *had* that protection all along. The whole "unconstitutional" thing. And the fact that prohibition came into being proves the need for that protection.

How does "Doesn't need" and "Had all along" conflict again?

phookat · « **Reply #158 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:36:45 PM »

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I see you've caught your third wind.

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What part of faith and conviction confuses you? Like I said. I've made my choice. You're free to make yours. Don't try and make a conspiracy over it.

It doesn't confuse me. That's the answer I was expecting, because it is the only possible answer. Your choice and your conviction is based on your belief...and so is anyone else's. Step back a bit and think objectively. Both claims of rightness are *equally valid*, thus it is impossible for one choice to be the "right" one--without also believing that God forsakes people arbitrarily.

Conspiracy? Not sure where that's coming from.

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No I didn't. I provided a reasonable explanation myself. Difference being, mine is based on the writings of an established faith as well as my own feelings and yours is based on just your own feelings.

No. My assertion is based on logic, and it makes sense. Your assertion is based on your interpretation of scripture--which is the same as saying "I am right because I believe I'm right". Not all Christians think they are the only right ones. Perhaps they choose to interpret scripture in a different way, a way that makes sense or is logical.

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You feel God suffers from MPD and you think that's a good and comforting thing. I don't.

Not "good and comforting" but logical. Where's the logic in your assertion? That's right, you don't have any. You can only point to your illogical interpretation of scripture.

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Why does that make you feel like you're being ignored? Because I don't see your pov as a rational one? Well then, you must be ignoring me too.

No, I thought we were debating something logically and objectively. If you aren't, then anything goes. "God flies an X-wing on the Planet Zorg. My scripture said so."

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Now you're really reaching. If it's possbile that Danebian Space Slugs from a galaxy far far away cannot conceive of Christ then Christianity is invalidated?

Did you really miss the point that badly? Where did I imply Christianity is "invalid"? My point is that it is not the only right way.

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So Christians trying to save lost souls because it is their belief that Christianity is the only salvation from hell is not nice?

The saving part is fine. But the belief that only you are right is the part I am saying is not all that nice. Offended? LOL. I'm just arguing with ya.

phookat · « **Reply #159 on:** August 02, 2004, 01:39:32 PM »

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How does "Doesn't need" and "Had all along" conflict again?

They don't conflict. We need it (the existence of prohibition proves that, along with religious persecution all over the world), *and* have had it all along. Read the whole post, it was only three sentences.

storch · « **Reply #160 on:** August 02, 2004, 03:02:23 PM »

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How does "Doesn't need" and "Had all along" conflict again?

Hey Arlo this guy phookat is a mental midget. To quote Mark Twain "Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it frustrates you and annoys the pig".

phookat · « **Reply #161 on:** August 02, 2004, 04:53:11 PM »

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Arlo · « **Reply #162 on:** August 02, 2004, 05:40:36 PM »

No. My assertion is based on logic, and it makes sense. Your assertion is based on your interpretation of scripture--which is the same as saying "I am right because I believe I'm right".

Actually, that's about as false a claim as one can make. Adherance to scripture is not at all like saying "I am right because I believe I'm right." Making up something and calling it logical because it sounds good is much more akin to that.

Not all Christians think they are the only right ones. Perhaps they choose to interpret scripture in a different way, a way that makes sense or is logical.

Really? What Christian denomination claims that there is another path to heaven other than accepting Christ as their savior?

Not "good and comforting" but logical. Where's the logic in your assertion? That's right, you don't have any. You can only point to your illogical interpretation of scripture.

First of all, how have you disproven Christian scripture or even my interpretation of it so far? Second, again ... your belief has what foundation other than "sounds cool to you?"

No, I thought we were debating something logically and objectively. If you aren't, then anything goes. "God flies an X-wing on the Planet Zorg. My scripture said so."

You're the one who decided science fiction was a valid method of defending your theorem, not me.

Did you really miss the point that badly? Where did I imply Christianity is "invalid"? My point is that it is not the only right way.

Here ... let me help ya out. Rather than riding the merry-go-round that keeps claiming that your pov is more logical than my pov because you made yours up and I didn't .... why not just become a follower of Baha'i? It pretty much mirrors what you thought you logically invented on your own but you'll have to give up drinking (if you drink). That way, at least, we can claim equal footing of being adherants to established religions and not do the "I'm more logical than your faith" thang. I still won't agree with your belief and you won't agree with mine but at least neither of us will be making it up as we go along.

phookat · « **Reply #163 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:42:54 PM »

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Really? What Christian denomination claims that there is another path to heaven other than accepting Christ as their savior?

I had a friend who was a catholic priest, a devoted follower of Christ but believed as I say that Christ is not the only path. He died a few years ago; he was part of the "Liberal Catholic" church. Just did a google, they have a website: http://www.liberalcatholic.com/

As for the rest of your post, you're pulling a demaw (except thankfully you're not as long-winded as he is). Simply go off on a tangent or outright ignore all my arguments and say "you're wrong" without providing any reasoning. Could have been an interesting discussion. Oh well.

Arlo · « **Reply #164 on:** August 02, 2004, 06:53:45 PM »

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I had a friend who was a catholic priest, a devoted follower of Christ but believed as I say that Christ is not the only path. He died a few years ago; he was part of the "Liberal Catholic" church. Just did a google, they have a website: http://www.liberalcatholic.com/

As for the rest of your post, you're pulling a demaw (except thankfully you're not as long-winded as he is). Simply go off on a tangent or outright ignore all my arguments and say "you're wrong" without providing any reasoning. Could have been an interesting discussion. Oh well.

1: Missed the part on the website that said Liberal Catholics think Islam, Judaism or any other religion other than Catholicism is as valid a path to heaven as Catholicism itself.

2: I've not ignored a single thing you've claimed. I've challenged it. I've given you my belief, my reasoning and my foundation. I've even gone so far as to acknowledge that you're free to believe anything you want to with no foundation whatsoever (which addressed religious freedom in this nation ... even from a Christian perspective).

You've not backed up any of your arguments with anything other than "I'm logical and you're not" so far. Well ... with the possible exception of space slugs not being able to understand the Bible. If you wanna step it up, I'd be more than happy to take you seriously.

Author Topic: Christians can sure be jerks (Read 3666 times)

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