Author Topic: Christians can sure be jerks (Read 3660 times)

demaw1 · « **Reply #165 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:00:09 PM »

Arlo when you get done with this dung heap [sorry Lord]

just ask it to PROVE some of its statements ,youll never hear from it again.

Remember when flying of into the sunset, to first shake the dust from your feet.

Arlo · « **Reply #166 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:01:25 PM »

It's ok, demaw. We're having a logical debate.

Torque · « **Reply #167 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:05:28 PM »

A crutch for the weak.

storch · « **Reply #168 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:09:34 PM »

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A crutch for the weak.

A hope for the libertine. You had better be right. Go buy some asbestos panties u will need them.

Shuckins · « **Reply #169 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:18:40 PM »

Torque,

What you're inferring is that you are one of the stronger, better, individuals in the world because you don't lean on the crutch of religion.

Does that about sum it up? How elitist.

phookat · « **Reply #170 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:36:06 PM »

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1: Missed the part on the website that said Liberal Catholics think Islam, Judaism or any other religion other than Catholicism is as valid a path to heaven as Catholicism itself.

Hmm, OK. Maybe it was just him then.

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2: I've not ignored a single thing you've claimed. I've challenged it. I've given you my belief, my reasoning and my foundation.

Nope, you didn't. What you have done is to "respond" with witty but tangential and irrelevant one-liners on one hand, and to quote scripture on the other--without showing how that scripture addresses the logical inconsistencies that I raise. The only thing you can say is that it "sounds good", as if this is a counter-argument. I presented you with a logical argument; in what way is my argument logically flawed? You have not answered this, and I am beginning to get the feeling that you simply don't know the answer.

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I've even gone so far as to acknowledge that you're free to believe anything you want to with no foundation whatsoever (which addressed religious freedom in this nation ... even from a Christian perspective).

Well, I am glad we agree at least in this. I suppose this is the important thing after all, as far as society and government is concerned

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You've not backed up any of your arguments with anything other than "I'm logical and you're not" so far. Well ... with the possible exception of space slugs not being able to understand the Bible. If you wanna step it up, I'd be more than happy to take you seriously.

What is your definition of "backing up"? Do you want me to quote scripture? Isn't presenting a logical argument "backing it up"? Taking me seriously...I guess you have a superweapon hidden up your sleeve there? Out with it, then!

RedTop · « **Reply #171 on:** August 02, 2004, 07:41:16 PM »

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.....Christians are constantly trying to pass legislation making elements of their bible into law.....

as opposed to those that will try to make a point by taking god out of everything. Its a 2 sided coin.

Christians feel they have rights to pray..when and where they want...so on and so on...

Atheists...think they have a right to say no when and where ever they want...and so on and so on.

"In God we trust"......Tough to say huh? Puuuhleeaseeeee:rolleyes:

phookat · « **Reply #172 on:** August 02, 2004, 08:00:00 PM »

Arlo:

Let me restate my scenario. Tell me directly if you think this is the way it works.

There are two religions, A and B. Both claim to be the exclusively correct paths to God. Both have essentially the same moral codes, but one says "follow prophet 1" and the other says "follow prophet 2". In truth, only one of these religions is correct, and if you follow the other one you will not be saved.

Now someone wants to join a religion with the goal of being saved. There is no possible way he can "figure out" or reason a choice. He chooses one by "faith and conviction" as you said. There is no possible way he can know for sure that he made the right choice, except he believes with all his heart that religion A is unquestionably the right one. There is no reason behind this...he just knows.

Am I correct so far? Please make *specific* corrections where you think I'm wrong. To be continued after you are finished reviewing.

Arlo · « **Reply #173 on:** August 02, 2004, 08:11:46 PM »

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Originally posted by phookat

Nope, you didn't. What you have done is to "respond" with witty but tangential and irrelevant one-liners on one hand, and to quote scripture on the other--without showing how that scripture addresses the logical inconsistencies that I raise. The only thing you can say is that it "sounds good", as if this is a counter-argument. I presented you with a logical argument; in what way is my argument logically flawed? You have not answered this, and I am beginning to get the feeling that you simply don't know the answer.

Tangental? I'm on your six in this. You've been leading and I've been asking where you're going with it. Your answer to that has been, for the most part, "You're ignoring my logic." What logic? That you believe that all religions, all faiths, all philosophies serve the same purpose equally well and that all adherents to them make it to a rewarding afterlife? Funny, none of those religions, faiths and philosophies tend do agree with you (Baha'i the exception). So all you've offered is your opinion versus my opinion yet you call yours logic and mine not. Are you sure that's where you want to leave it? Fine by me, if you do. But it doesn't sound like you have anymore of an answer than you expect from me.

What is your definition of "backing up"? Do you want me to quote scripture? Isn't presenting a logical argument "backing it up"? Taking me seriously...I guess you have a superweapon hidden up your sleeve there? Out with it, then!

Quote it if you will. I'm pretty sure you'll be hard pressed to find Christian scripture ... or Judaic ... or Islamic ... or anything other than Baha'i writings to back you up on this. And if it comes to that, it's certainly not proving that Christians should not believe and state their belief that Christ is the only way to the Kingdom of God. Again, you've not once presented a logical argument. You've stated, "This is what I feel and it's logical" and CALLED it a logical argument but it falls short by the definition of such. I suggest you drop that altogether and concede that your argument is based on nothing more than your personal belief, as well, and you'll come off at least not looking like you're trying to be intellectually superior when you're not (so far).

Taking you seriously is a superweapon? And here I thought it may have been something you would have preferred.

Now, if you really have nothing more to add other than I'm still ignoring your irrefutable logic, and, in return, not giving you the "logical proof" you require to believe that Christians have not only the right to believe the teachings of Christ without throwing in some aspect that makes his teachings a bit more pc as to not offend those who aren't Christians but the responsibility to do so, I'll put this logical philosophical debate on hold. Let me know if you come up with something less redundant, brother.

Arlo · « **Reply #174 on:** August 02, 2004, 08:23:33 PM »

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Arlo:

Let me restate my scenario. Tell me directly if you think this is the way it works.

There are two religions, A and B. Both claim to be the exclusively correct paths to God. Both have essentially the same moral codes, but one says "follow prophet 1" and the other says "follow prophet 2". In truth, only one of these religions is correct, and if you follow the other one you will not be saved.

Now someone wants to join a religion with the goal of being saved. There is no possible way he can "figure out" or reason a choice. He chooses one by "faith and conviction" as you said. There is no possible way he can know for sure that he made the right choice, except he believes with all his heart that religion A is unquestionably the right one. There is no reason behind this...he just knows.

Am I correct so far? Please make *specific* corrections where you think I'm wrong. To be continued after you are finished reviewing.

If one is Christianity, there is indeed a way one can know he made the right decision. This is the "mystical" side of Christianity. It's called "The Holy Spirit" and it's mentioned quite frequently in Christian writings. Christianity involves a personal relationship with God. It's somewhat unique in that.

Now, if someone picks the other religion, as is their right, and they place all their faith and conviction in it, which can be expected, in what have they actually put their faith and conviction in? Mohammed? Budda? The Jews can claim to be God's chosen people and Christians adhere to this, as well, but their covenant involves a continued blood sacrifice that is no longer required since the ultimate sacrifice of the Messiah. Many will convert in the end times.

Did you expect my answer to not involve my faith?

Sceadu · « **Reply #175 on:** August 02, 2004, 08:45:33 PM »

Scary. Enough said.

hawker238 · « **Reply #176 on:** August 02, 2004, 09:18:50 PM »

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Atheists are like gays and feminists. It's not enough that you leave them alone and let them believe and do what they want.

They have to be in your face and thay have to force you to watch.

Tolerance is not good enough, they demand acceptance and full approval.

Why on Earth would an atheist be interested in delivering an invokation?

To stick it to the rest of of course and manifest his beliefs.

I take it you don't know a lot of atheists, gays, and feminists. Or maybe you do and just don't know it.

Ozark · « **Reply #177 on:** August 02, 2004, 09:43:49 PM »

Let’s go back to the original topic.
Lot of people talking and lots of people talking.

Some Christians can sure be jerks! Yes, some are.
Some Non-Christians can sure be jerks! Yes, some are.

Everyone happy now?

<<< I hate this little guy!

Chairboy · « **Reply #178 on:** August 02, 2004, 09:45:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Ozark
Let’s go back to the original topic.
Lot of people talking and lots of people talking.

Some Christians can sure be jerks! Yes, some are.
Some Non-Christians can sure be jerks! Yes, some are.

Everyone happy now?

I am, I think it's compatible with the spirit of my original post.

Shuckins · « **Reply #179 on:** August 02, 2004, 10:20:14 PM »

Yeah...Intolerance really ticks me off.

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