Kerry meets the troops

[firbal]

Aren't these Marines the same type of people the Dems tried to discount their votes in Florida in the last elections????

[straffo]

Or maybe he's only pointing out that a few Marines aren't representative of the whole Corps. Somethng like this Straffo?

Exactly my point.

I still don't understand why it's not clear in my previous sentence


@demaw1 : that's lovely and applicable also for some guys sitting on the other side of the Atlantic

[AKIron]

Originally posted by firbal
Aren't these Marines the same type of people the Dems tried to discount their votes in Florida in the last elections????

The Democrats only want "fairness" for themselves. And they will moan and wail over even the slightest perceived injustice toward themselves while at the same time dealing out far greater underhandedness like trying to deny military absentee ballots or keeping Nadar out of the election. They are only fooling themselves however.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by MrLars
I dunno, the Marines are 'first to go, last to know'....maybe they just haven't seen the latest Zogby poll.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=849

The next time they see JK they just may have to salute

there wont be a problem there. us military has institutional respect for cic position no matter who fills it at the time. to bad some antiamerican political hacks hiding behind veil of "patriotism" dont have similar respect for office of president. the only people being insulting during clinton years were clinton appointees pissing all over military every chance they got. also i dont think kerry is poking his chest i think hes pointing at fruit salad and asking Marine some questions about it. and whoever said it is right military must show respect to cic senator is another matter. some senators given much respect because its been earned. others this is not the case.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by straffo
Exactly my point.

I still don't understand why it's not clear in my previous sentence


@demaw1 : that's lovely and applicable also for some guys sitting on the other side of the Atlantic

I'm not sure what your point was. Military personnel are often discouraged from speaking to the press because some take it to mean they are speaking for their uniform. However, US military personnel don't give up their citizenship and still have the right to free speech, though there can be restrictions. I'm betting these guys aren't reprimanded for talking to reporters, unless their CO is a democrat, unlikely considering the odds.

[Toad]

Originally posted by AKIron
Ithat a few Marines aren't representative of the whole Corps.

Absolutely.

But of course the "photo op", had it been highly successful, would have been used to portray it othwise, IE: "the whole Marine Corps loves Kerry. See, here's two of them now!"

This went awry, so now they "aren't representative".

Not that the Repubs would do it any different.

It's a smoke and mirrors, or simply politics if you prefer.

[straffo]

Originally posted by AKIron
I'm not sure what your point was. Military personnel are often discouraged from speaking to the press because some take it to mean they are speaking for their uniform. However, US military personnel don't give up their citizenship and still have the right to free speech, though there can be restrictions. I'm betting these guys aren't reprimanded for talking to reporters, unless their CO is a democrat, unlikely considering the odds.

ooops ... I though it was like for us , it's not discouraged here : it's explicitly forbidden.
Not only for the military btw ,some one working for the state administration is forbidden to give a political opinion especially when on duty and should restrain when not on duty.

I over reacted because of this, and won't have reacted at all if they had not been on uniform.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Toad
Absolutely.

But of course the "photo op", had it been highly successful, would have been used to portray it othwise, IE: "the whole Marine Corps loves Kerry. See, here's two of them now!"

This went awry, so now they "aren't representative".

Not that the Repubs would do it any different.

It's a smoke and mirrors, or simply politics if you prefer.

It's a weak and disgusting "trick" IMO (whatever the side using this trick)

[AKIron]

Originally posted by straffo
It's a weak and disgusting "trick" IMO (whatever the side using this trick)

It's a trick that backfired. So who is the weak and disgusting party here?

[straffo]

IMO both.

Kerry because is trying to show his elector how he is backed by an institution.

The Marines (to be more clear the one present) because he play the exact same trick but for Bush.

It's my interpretation of this :
 

"I'm 100 percent against" Kerry, he said. "We support our commander-in-chief 100 percent."

When he said  : "I'm 100 percent against" Kerry
I'm ok,especially since knowing he can express himself and not like a French soldier just : shut the f* up

But he is playing the same trick for Bush just after in his last sentence.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by straffo
I suppose GRUN posted yet another pict of some german soldier on the champ elysée ...

and captain moron make yet another clever post ?


You're so clever you didn't even read my post and tought it was a bash of the whole Marine corp.

When it was just a constat of the lack of courage of some Marines.

who are you to say these two in the picture lack courage.

WHO ARE YOU?

They dont speak for the whole corps nore do they speak for the military.....they simply do not support John Kerry (rightfully so) and said as much.


THEY WERE EATING IN A PUBLIC PLACE

They were mad that they got bothered while eating

If you are in uniform you can talk to the press ALL YOU WANT.  You just can't answer questions about incidents or military operations.


Man you guys are really transparent.....they dont support Kerry so there must be something wrong with them.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by straffo
Wtf is a country where the military can give a political opinion ?

Plus they lack the minimal courage to say Kerry to go away but have the "courage" to speak to the journalists ?
 
Truly a shame , they don't respect their uniform nor themselve.

I had an highter opinion of the Marines.

I don't think they give a d*** what you think about them.

[AKIron]

Military people can't participate in protests or demonstrations, at least not in uniform, but are usually allowed to express their political preference, at least when asked. The Marine was only saying how he felt, and it isn't a sentiment unshared by the majority of military people.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by AKIron
Military people can't participate in protests or demonstrations, at least not in uniform, but are usually allowed to express their political preference, at least when asked. The Marine was only saying how he felt, and it isn't a sentiment unshared by the majority of military people.

actually Iron we can.  We just cannot protest the Govt. we are serving.

It's all about bringing dishonor to the uniform.  You have to ask yourself if what you are doing will bring dishonor to everyone else who's ever bled and died in the same uniform.  If the answer is yes than you are wrong......unless your name is John Kerry.  Than you can bring whatever dishonor you want to the uniform all in the name of peace.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
who are you to say these two in the picture lack courage.

WHO ARE YOU?

They dont speak for the whole corps nore do they speak for the military.....they simply do not support John Kerry (rightfully so) and said as much.


THEY WERE EATING IN A PUBLIC PLACE

They were mad that they got bothered while eating

If you are in uniform you can talk to the press ALL YOU WANT.  You just can't answer questions about incidents or military operations.


Man you guys are really transparent.....they dont support Kerry so there must be something wrong with them.

Did you bother to read my other messages ?
I reacted this way because what they have done is pretty shocking for ME and because of our rules in France.

For the record I don't support Kerry ... nor Bush.

I think you should come back to the comonwealth and under the queen's rule (this part is a joke )