What country is this?

[DipStick]

An interesting email I received a few days ago:

Can you name this country?

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS,AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

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IS THIS COUNTRY:

RUSSIA? NO

CHINA? NO

GREAT BRITAIN? NO

FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN

MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG

GIVE UP?

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THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.

IMAGINE WHAT A JOHN KERRY ADMINISTRATION WOULD LOOK LIKE CONSIDERING HIS 20 YEAR VOTING RECORD AGAINST DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS STARTING WITH HIS OPPOSITION TO RONALD REAGAN'S SDI INITIATIVE [STAR WARS] WHICH LED TO THE DEMISE OF THE SOVIET UNION.

Just think about this with an open mind. This is factual information and could very well happen again if we don't get our act together. If this country gets in a defenseless position similar to what Clinton put us in the terrorists will have a field day and it won't be in Iraq.

[Staga]

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THOSE?

SHOOT YOURSELF TO A FOOT MAYBE?

[Staga]

BTW YOUR COUNTRY IS ALREADY IN DEEP CRAP WITH ITS DEBTS; WHY WOULD YOU LIKE TO SINK EVEN DEEPER ?

[Preon1]

Originally posted by Staga
WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THOSE?

SHOOT YOURSELF TO A FOOT MAYBE?

Actually, the Pentagon has been developing a conventional ICBM fleet for some time now.  The process has only increased its pace since 9/11.  The idea is that if we are attacked, or need a target anywhere in the world destroyed quickly, we can put a bomb on it within 30 minutes of the President's approval.

Personally, I disagree with the program because there's no way to tell the difference between a conventional or unconventional ICBM.  I guess the thought is that there's really nobody out there that poses a threat to us in the paradigm of 'conventional' warfare.

[CyranoAH]

Perhaps the government doesn't have the money to support that huge army without increasing the deficit? Just asking.

Daniel

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Staga
BTW YOUR COUNTRY IS ALREADY IN DEEP CRAP WITH ITS DEBTS; WHY WOULD YOU LIKE TO SINK EVEN DEEPER ?

I'm sure we could spare an old ICBM or two for Finland.

[Thrawn]

US active military personel.

1993 - 1,675,269

2001 - 1,384,812


Reserves (full time and part time)

1993 - 68,500 + 105,768

2001 - 65,000 + 87,304


http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf


Looks like nothing more than a pack of lies so far.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Thrawn
US active military personel.

1993 - 1,675,269

2001 - 1,384,812


Reserves (full time and part time)

1993 - 68,500 + 105,768

2001 - 65,000 + 87,304


http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf


Looks like nothing more than a pack of lies so far.

Not trying to refute any of your numbers but I do know the military has seen the largest number of volunteers in the few years since 9-11-01 in its history, except for the few years after 12-7-41 of course. A personal friend of mine is a recruiter for the Army and he says they've been turning away volunteers by the thousands.

Can you show the same numbers from your source from 1993 (your starting point) through say 12-31-00, or even 9-10-01?

[cpxxx]

Isn't this a classic example of 'Lies, damm lies and statistics'?

For example the strategic bombers and nuclear subs and their associated nukes. They are no longer needed with the close of the  cold war. The process was started during Reagan's administration.

You simply don't need all the combat aircraft anymore because of the increased use of precision weapons and cruise missiles. Plus just how many  of them were obsolete aircraft like the A7 and the F4?

As for the country being 'defenseless' . Considering it just fought two wars more or less simultaneously while still providing a presence at airshows all over the world and other commitments like Korea.  Then perhaps defenseless is the wrong word.

I doubt if any of the figures stand up to scrutiny and the email is just another example of the kind of froth that circulates on the internet posing as facts.

[Gunslinger]

to get this correct

the numbers werent slashed all that much during clinton it wass during the first bush.  This was mostly in part because of the "Red Threat" going away and a new force realignment for a stronger but leaner force.


Clinton slashed the military budgets and military spending.  Dont have the numbers to back it up.......just the experience of being THERE when it happend

[Gh0stFT]

USA minus theyr millitary, whats left ? lol sorry, but i think
the strenght of a nation should not be based on how big
the millitary is, they are other things much much more important.

R
Gh0stFT

[rpm]

Originally posted by DipStick
An interesting email I received a few days ago:

Can you name this country?

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS,AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

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Typical "Shock and Awe" slander campaign by NeoCons.

How about a couple of facts to go along with those numbers? How many bombers and ICBM's were destroyed in accord with peace treaties? How many of the decommissioned ships and subs were at the end of their duty life? If you decomission a carrier what do you do with it's airwing? How were the Army divisions restructured under the new Army logistics? You do know about the new reconstruction and deployment of Army divisions, don't you?

POSTING IN ALL CAPS MEANS IT REALLY, REALLY, REALLY IS TRUE!

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Chain letters, the ultimate source of facts.
-SW

[DipStick]

I never said the email was "fact". It was copy and pasted therefore the "caps". Just said it was interesting and shared... If it bugs you do the research and find out for yourself what the 'real' numbers are. I don't care either way. Have a nice day.

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by DipStick
I never said the email was "fact".

"This is factual information...."

Nice.  How about a disclaimer the next time you cut and paste this crap?