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Offline CurtissP-6EHawk

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« on: August 06, 2004, 01:04:49 PM »
You may have seent his in a few post replys.

Instead of asking for opinions then trying to start planning it, last night was a prime example of the old WarBirds, "Target for Tonight" in the Historic Arena. CT Staff, needed not to reset any fields.

DO we have any othe CT Staff, other than Slash27, interested in helping us players to get this started? This does take time to organize. Lets get this started and then improve as we go. Last night was an absolute blast. Each squadron can submit their own AA report. This itself will be interesting reading on the UBB instead of the usual trash talk and insults.



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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 01:20:11 PM »
Doo doo head......oops, had a relapse...:)


Seriously though, sounds like a good idea, but most of it will have to be on the honor system (not re-upping after deaths, no jets etc). Honor system shouldnt be a problem with CT regulars so that might be a non-issue.

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2004, 01:28:42 PM »
COs report
VMF-312, a four ship flight, departed CV110 located about three miles south of the English Coast near port 109 in the 6,9 grid.  We departed and climbed north east then north to meet up with the bombers. At approx half way to the target, it was reported the the 325th FG met great resistance. This resistance hindered further escort with only four Corsairs and a few orphans. Near the coast of France VMF-312 was jumped by 880th from what apeared to be 35k (we were at least 30k) and about seven aircraft. They stayed just north of our new radar site at V101. Somehow we passed them and never saw them. They took out two Corsairs and damaged a third. I dont know if they ever got to the bomber group, which was now virtualy unescorted. What fighters remained, were greatly scattered out. I did what I could to ward off attackers but failed. I have a 1/2 credit for a single Bf-110 that was destroyed by bomber gunners. I was overwhelmed by FW-190s and Bf-109s at least eight at a givin time. I tangled with at least three LW but they did just enough to remove me away from the bombers. I finaly had to dive out and head home. Was a long trip home back to the CV but was happy to hear that the other remaining corsair was able to ditch near the CV.


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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2004, 03:17:53 PM »
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Seriously though, sounds like a good idea, but most of it will have to be on the honor system (not re-upping after deaths, no jets etc). .......



I didn't see an overabundance of Jets last night.  What is the issue with Jets, are they "scary" or something?

If the plane is available in the arena it should be used if someone wants to use it, period.

F4U's in Michael Moores version of BOB for example.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2004, 03:42:50 PM »
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F4U's in Michael Moores version of BOB for example.


Although the numbers were small, The FAA did operate F4U's (and SBD, TBM's, F6F's) from England, not CV's, during the Normandy Invasion, but they were there nontheless.

There were no Me262's at Normandy.

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2004, 04:40:43 PM »
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Although the numbers were small, The FAA did operate F4U's (and SBD, TBM's, F6F's) from England, not CV's, during the Normandy Invasion, but they were there nontheless.

There were no Me262's at Normandy.


There would have if I had been in charge.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2004, 04:47:10 PM »
Oh look, The Fuerher wanted them for Normandy:

On 23 May 1944, Goering, Milch, Galland, other senior Luftwaffe officials, as well as Armaments Minister Albert Speer and his people, were called to Hitler's residence at Berchtesgaden to discuss the current fighter production program.

The meeting was routine up to the point where production of the Me-262 as a fighter was discussed. Hitler was puzzled: "I thought the 262 was coming as a high-speed bomber. How many of the 262s already manufactured can carry bombs?"

Milch replied: "None, mein Fuerher. The Me-262 is being manufactured exclusively as a fighter aircraft." After a chilly silence, Milch then pointed out that the aircraft could not be adapted to the "Jabo" role without major design changes, and even then it would not be able to carry more than 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds) of bombs.

Hitler was shocked. Back in November, he had asked if the Me-262 could be adapted to the "Jabo" role, and received a glowingly positive answer. He had ordered that it should therefore be built as a fighter-bomber, and nobody had protested the decision. He had been including the "Jabo" Me-262 in his plans for the defense of the Reich against an amphibious landing by the Western Allies, which was expected any time soon and in fact would take place within weeks, on 6 June 1944.

Now Hitler was being told that not only were there no "Jabo" Me-262s, but that the assurances he had been given about its feasibility were false, and to make matters worse nobody had told him of any of this. This would have angered more moderate men than Hitler, and he was furious: "Who pays the slightest attention to the orders I give?! I gave an unqualified order, and left nobody in any doubt that the aircraft was to be equipped as a fighter-bomber!"

Goering made excuses and passed the blame onto Milch, who was presently stripped of most of his powers. Hitler ordered that work now be focused on delivering the "Jabo" version of the Me-262, though he did consent to continued testing of the fighter version as long as it didn't slow down deliveries of the "Jabo" variant.

......By late June 1944, a fighter-bomber unit, "Erprobungskommando Schenk", had been formed under Major Wolfgang Schenk. A month later, the unit was relocated to France with nine aircraft, in order to oppose the "real" invasion that was expected in the Pas de Calais, an expectation fostered by elaborate and comprehensive Allied deception programs.

The "Jabo" Me-262s in France accomplished little, and with the Allied breakout from Normandy were gradually pulled back, to end up in Belgium at the end of August. With the invasion now history, Hitler rescinded the order to focus solely on the "Jabo" Me-262 version, and the focus of production returned to the fighter variant. The Fuerher still insisted that any fighter variants that were built to be easily converted to the "Jabo" configuration on short notice.

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2004, 04:55:46 PM »
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There were no Me262's at Normandy.


uh huh,

......By late June 1944, a fighter-bomber unit, "Erprobungskommando Schenk", had been formed under Major Wolfgang Schenk. A month later, the unit was relocated to France with nine aircraft, in order to oppose the "real" invasion that was expected in the Pas de Calais, an expectation fostered by elaborate and comprehensive Allied deception programs.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2004, 05:02:19 PM »
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uh huh,

......By late June 1944, a fighter-bomber unit, "Erprobungskommando Schenk", had been formed under Major Wolfgang Schenk. A month later, the unit was relocated to France with nine aircraft, in order to oppose the "real" invasion that was expected in the Pas de Calais, an expectation fostered by elaborate and comprehensive Allied deception programs.


Where they thought the invasion was going to be... not in normandy... ergo... I thought everyone woudn't fly them... guess won't do that one when there are Jets in the set up...

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2004, 07:24:47 PM »
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Oh look, The Fuerher wanted them for Normandy:



The fact remains, F4U's were at Normandy, Me262's were not. Why the big deal about the F4U? The P-51 is far more dangerous to the LW planes in my estimation, if it made Hawk and his guys happy letting them fly it what is the harm in that?

Stream asked us not to use 262's because it was not true to his mission, not neccessarily the weeks set. Most respected that request (you did too I believe) as it was a reasonable one. Axis also stayed somewhere  mid-channel instead of pushing into England because, as Bug put it, it was "sporting" to do so.

Dr., if you plan a mission next Thursday (hint, hint) and you want it a certain way that would require voluntary rules I'm sure everyone would respect that if they were reasonable, as Streams request was.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2004, 09:30:38 PM »
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Axis also stayed somewhere  mid-channel instead of pushing into England because, as Bug put it, it was "sporting" to do so.



I said that?? Couldn't have, I'm an ahole.
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Re: "Target for Tonight"
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2004, 09:50:31 PM »
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DO we have any othe CT Staff, other than Slash27, interested in helping us players to get this started?
Hawk


I'd be very interested in seeing this evolve,  something I'd be very active with when I become a staffer.
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