Author Topic: XM-8 rifle and XM-307 MG News Report (Read 770 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2004, 08:28:19 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The XM-8 is a Heckler und Koch design, so it does not inherit any of the bad traits of the M-16. IIRC the XM-8's action is based on the G-36 design. Perhaps now the US army can finally have a reliable weapon, something they have not had since the M-14.

wow gunther we agree on something........Maybe there is hope for this world

naaaa I'm gonna go photoshop something

VOR · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2004, 08:29:16 PM »

GS, that mount looks like a pretty good design. Yeah, the weight IS a big problem, plus the thing tends to need tightening during sustained firing. (The US mount.)

One thing I noticed about the mount you posted is the lack of a traverse/elevation mechanism. Does the recoil buffering system and stabiliser provide a steady enough platform that you don't need it anymore? And, do you have any field experience with the reflector sight?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2004, 08:42:51 PM »

you've never been through hell untill you humped (Marine speak for force march) an M-2's reciever through the hills of camp pendelton. Those F'ers are heavy!

still think its a good design though. Maybe the new one will be better for more man portable applications and keep the current one for vehicle mounts.

VOR · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2004, 08:43:08 PM »

Sounds like a pretty solid improvement overall.

Ok, I gotta know..are the red training rounds just dummy rounds or some kind of blank or what?

One more thing, I find the last picture you posted strangely erotic.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2004, 09:22:38 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Yeah, the XM8 is the Starship Troopers(tm) version of the G36. (The G36 is pretty Nintendo itself).

but is it reliable after lowcrawling in mud muck and dirt?

Charon · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2004, 09:29:52 PM »

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but its a fact that the M16 is an inherently flawed weapon. The XM-8 looks like a good replacement.

I agree Guns. I was referring to the M2/ mk-19 replacements and indirectly the OICW system with it's built in fire control computer and bulk comprable to a 1970s era Soviet studo network video camera (and I think $15,000 pricetag). The M-8 "reduced" option seems far more useful, even though it will take awhile to get used to the looks.

Check out the OICW photos "in action" all that's missing is the combat field microwave oven add-on

http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm

Charon

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2004, 09:59:42 PM »

So since the XM-8 is an HK G-36, why the hell is the army messing with it?

Will it still be an HK when done and have the reliability?

Wasn't the M60 the Army ord frankinstean monster version of the MG42 and the wacky German para rifle?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 10, 2004, 10:13:59 PM »

GS
Is HK helping the Army?

Pongo · « **Reply #23 on:** August 10, 2004, 10:17:03 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
We've had the same basic .50 machine gun for how long? Wasn't the original design built at the end of WW1? Wow. Ya know, if something works, why bugger with it?

It certainly could be improved. Why not move to a new model. Dont scrap the whole inventory but buy new ones as they get replaced.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 10, 2004, 10:18:38 PM »

Yeah but what do you think the odds are?

Did they ask Stoner, when they changed the rifling, the chambers being cromed and the powder for the M16 when they adopted it?

Pongo · « **Reply #25 on:** August 10, 2004, 10:18:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
but is it reliable after lowcrawling in mud muck and dirt?

Im more worried about how it works after you but stroke someone with it.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 10, 2004, 10:19:47 PM »

Are the current M2s not using a kit to make the have fixed headspace so you can change the barrel faster?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 10, 2004, 10:20:47 PM »

Will the M8 have a Boyonette lug?

XtrmeJ · « **Reply #28 on:** August 10, 2004, 10:36:45 PM »

Propaganda to get younger folks to join.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #29 on:** August 11, 2004, 01:57:28 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Then it would be better to get a weapon with more modern ammunition ... like that new 20mm you're developing. Buying a "new" gun that really offers little or no improvement in capability over the old gun except that it looks cooler, is a waste IMHO.

Not to worry GS, our tax money buying both. The XM312 is just a 50cal version of the XM307 which will fire a new type of 25mm shell.

http://www.gdatp.com/products/lethality/xm307/xm307.htm

Checkout the video gallery, I wonder if thje 50 cal has the same recoil dampening feature as the 25mm.