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Offline AKSWulfe

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2001, 07:14:00 AM »
I'd rather have a F4F-3, F4F-4, FM-2, P40(all variants), G.55, Re.2005, Re.2000, LaGG-3, MiG-1, MiG-3, and Hs129.

Karnak, you've got a dweeb list.

   
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2001, 08:15:00 AM »
Hmm.... SW gets it.   what you guys are asking for with your well reasoned post is a way that you can fly 450-550 mph planes in the arena against inferior planes and pilots and justifying it by saying that you won't see that many if the price is high enough.

Why not just have a day or two at the end of the tour to fly the dweeb rides and circus freaks?   You would have other dweeb rides to fly against and everyone would have an equal plane choice... Everyone/anyone would probly get to fly these freaks a lot more with an "end of tour" system than they would if they were 200 idiotic perk points.  

Keep the weird dweeb rides away from the early and mid war planes.  

Point is... How will we introduce early war planes with this bassackward system?   I would sure as hell have a lot more fun flying early war planes for the first few days of a tour than I would dodging every dweeb "vet" in a perk ride every day of the tour.

The only good thing about the idiotic perk system is that it makes every perk jerk in a perk ride a huge target in the arena.... sorta hoisted on his own dweeby petard.

Oh, and yes... I don't think much of guys who feel they need to fly a 'perk' plane against inferior planes.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2001, 09:42:00 AM »
Lazs, as long as your RPS means that the perk values go down as the tour goes on, I'm for it.  First few days, no perk planes.  Next week or so, prek planes full price, then they start going down in price, and on the last few days, all planes are free.

personally, I don't fly perk planes, because none of them interest me, 'cept the arado, but I don't buff enough to get the perkies for it.

As for the early war planes to flesh out the plane set...  I don't care if they EVER get usage in the MA.  I'd like them for Special Events though, as do several other people!  BoB would be fun!  PTO with Wildcats, Dauntlesses and (already in of course) TBMs against Kates, Vals and Zekes (maybe an earlier variant Zero).  Stuff like that would be fun!  More planes for all countries, so we don't have to do the "Germans will use the TBM for Stuka's today" type stuff.

I'd like a few new planes each update, with gameplay enhancements/fixes.  A balance between the two.  New planes should focus on giving each country a plane for each role, then early war set, THEN the spiffy late war planes.  Just my 2 cents...   :)
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2001, 10:33:00 AM »
SWulfe, laz1,

How am I asking for planes that can go 450mph?

You guys either didn't read my post or completely misunderstood it.

I was specificly asking for 3 things.  2 from HTC and 1 from the AH community.

1) For HTC to impliment gameplay improvements in the coming versions.
2) For HTC to add specialty aircraft and aircraft that will not see particularly hard use, such as the Me410A, PBY Flying Catalina, P1Y1 Ginga, Mosquito FB.VI Series 2, P-61B Black Widow and H8K2 "Emily".  There aren't very many super units left to add.
3) For the AH community to cease its sometime attacks on people who request weird units or units that will not see heavy use.

The list of super planes I included in my post was simply to show what I thought were the remaining units that stood a chance at being heavily used in the MA.  I included that list to show how silly the "New units must be possible heavy use units." attitude is, not to say that I wanted them.  I don't want them.

The way I see it is that HTC can either add super units, or they can add speicialty and low use units, or they can stop adding units.

I would like to see specialty and low usage units.

The three units I specifically requested in my post were the Me410A (386mph), Mosquito FB.VI Series 2 (380mph) and the P1Y1 Ginga (345mph).  There is not a 450mph aircraft among them, hell, there isn't even a 400mph aircraft among them.

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2001, 10:39:00 AM »
And I listed what I wanted to see.

Your list is still a bunch of dweeb planes. Whether they are added or not, I don't care..
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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2001, 11:00:00 AM »
The more you focus on one specific time-period or plane performance range... the more you alienate the others.

I'd rather the alienation occured after the others were introduced... that way we don't have to deal with the "why bother with those" aspect of things.  Its already bad enough.

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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2001, 11:22:00 AM »
Good post and well presented. I too believe we need some early, mid and late war setup during the tour. Or even better I think, an allie/axis arena in addition to the MA.

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2001, 11:33:00 AM »
I agree that there are not realy many AC units to add. Focus should be on developing gameplay. Roads, trains and supply convoys would sure add interesting targets and add to the strategy element of the game.

Even though we like AH to focus on the air combat sim aspects, we have to see some development along the lines of ww2ol. Variation in gameplay and what you can do is important. From time to time it is a nice break from flying to do some ground work.

To secure AH enough players for the future it makes sense to attrackt players who are not as focused on air combat as most of us. The more players, wheater they are pilots, navy- or panzer freaks can only improve the game and assure AH the neccessary user base.

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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2001, 12:40:00 PM »
I vote for cooling out with the planes for now and consentrating on ground targets for us ie: Truckes, Trains, bridges, invantry all player controlled. In the hanger for the trains and trucks, should be fuel and ordinances to bring to badly hit or damaged bases. Even for bases that you just captured,fuel ordinance and barracks just got damaged in the take over,but you need that base up and running for your next offencesive you have no time to sit and wait till it comes back up, you could of had the trucks or the train rolling before you taken it so you could be up and running in 5 min after you capture it.
This isn't the first time I've thrown this on the board, but I think it would put the game in a promising direction.  ;)

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2001, 08:39:00 AM »
karnak... perhaps I'm wrong but you asked for  the p51H the -4 Corsair, Ki 84 (not 450 but very dweeby), Spit 14  and other 450 mph planes and you want to fly em against the current set!

If you have a dweeb day or two at the end of the tour for the circus freaks then everyone will get an equal chance to fly em as much as they want and they will not be "targeted" since so many losers will be in em.

I got no interest in the circus freaks and like the early war rides.

I find myself in full agreement with the AK poster twins.
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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2001, 08:42:00 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2001, 08:52:00 AM »
LOL SW!

Now that is funny...

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2001, 10:49:00 AM »
lazs,

Hmmm.  The way I wrote it, I can see, kinda makes it look like I was asking for those.

What I meant to imply was that many people seem to want those aircraft, and that's fine for them, but the aircraft that will see less use, such as P-40s, Mosquitoes, Me410s and the like are entirely valid additions that should not be rejected based on their likely low usage numbers.  Many people want to see the earlier stuff rather than the end war stuff.

I myself would prefer a 1943 (maybe into early 1944) arena.  The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see an arena that limited the use of 1944 and later aircraft in some manner.  I think 1943 is the most balanced year for WWII aircraft, except for the Japanese whow will probably need to be granted some early 1944 fighters, like the A6M5b we have in AH.

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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2001, 11:10:00 AM »
If we're going to have a Jet I'd rather it be the Meteor.  'Every' flight sim to date has used the Messershmit and it's getting stale.

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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2001, 01:19:00 PM »
S!

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