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Offline TrueKill

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2004, 05:27:11 AM »
sense ur making the Yak9U ill start on a Yak9T heres what skin im ganna be workin on :D






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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2004, 12:55:49 PM »
Nice Job!

I like the effect.

A few points, for consideration...

The topside grays should probably be somewhat lighter.

There are no panel lines on the wings or aft fuselage. ( the airplane is covered in plywood on the -9U, and sanded smooth.
The -9P, post-war is metal. Earlier -9s have a fabric covered aft fuselage, a left over from the -7 series ).

The underside is that wierd Russian blue, not gray.
( see the museum photo you posted )

reference http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/

for a great deal of information, including color matching and camoflage in use at various periods.

Also,

Soviet Air Force Fighter Colours 1941-45 by Erik A. Pilawskii (© Author, 1994-2003, Classic Publications, Ltd.).

For a great deal more.

Many paintings, books and decal sheets have misinterpreted the colors, including the modern Russian museums.  US Museums, excluding the Smithsonian, don't generally do any better on US aircraft, by the way.

Overall, I really like it...  I've got 3 Yak-9s in progress, it's great to have more...

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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2004, 01:56:07 PM »
Wait, the aft fuselage is to back part of the plane right??? And are you absolutally sure that the wings dont have panal lines because True Kills picture has them and i would think that the 9U would
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2004, 04:50:38 PM »
OK, i made the light grey/green lighter and i made the bottom a more blueish! let me know what you guys think and any other yak info would be greatly appreciated




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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2004, 05:20:39 PM »
Well it looks like he was right about the wood so all but the front of the fuselage so guess what my next update will look like!! LOL:D

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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2004, 06:16:32 PM »
Thebest...

Man, the arguments I've had over correct colors!

I've seen good friends not talk to one another for a year after an argument about US Navy Sea Blue ( used on WWII carriers ).

The only thing you can rely on is a color chip from the best source you can find.  How good are those? Use your best judgement, it's equal part fanaticism and art.

Color photos are no good and paintings are certainly no good for real accuracy.  Add 'scale factor' ( the fact that colors look different on different size models ) and you've got a real mess!

Look at the paining of the 'Normandie-Niemen' -9T earlier in the thread.  It comes from a model kit.  Look at the rivets.  Hm, no rivets on the real airplane, tail or wings.  Accurate? Nope. Colors? Good question! Look at the VVS site at the really strange Yak-7 with the 3-color looping pattern and tell me definitively that this scheme is not possible. Ha!

For instance, the airplane below is drawn from the color chips I got from the VVS web site I recommended.





This is a documented camo scheme.  Looks wierd, eh?

How about this one for wierd:



Also a documented scheme with colors accurate from the chips...

Do your best research,  go with your best guess and make one you like.  I'm a fanatic model-builder with a predjudice for accuracy, but I can still appreciate good effort on the part of others.

Keep up the good work!  Document well enough to get HTC to accept it, I'll guarantee I'll fly it...

Sometime in the next couple of days I'll scan some 3-view drawings to give you a guide, but I've got 3 sets of those that don't agree.  I ultimately looked at photographs for a guide ( and to get a accurate count of rivets and Dzus fittings - the thingies that hold the cowlings on ).  Accurate counts of rivets!?!?  I *told* you I was a fanatic!

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2004, 07:28:27 PM »
hold on UR KIDDING ME rivit counts... people record this stuff? well u know your life has gone terribly wrong if your the "rivit counter" LOL thanx for ur help bro im deleting the tail rivits and the wing rivits right now! and If u come along any other yak sights i would love to see them and do the elevators have rivits????
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2004, 01:15:47 AM »
UPdate:
Fixed the panal lines on the fuselage
took panal lines and rivits off the aft and the wings (to make it look like wood)
fixed weathering mess up on wings (where the 2 camo colors meet)

I still need to fix some of the minor details on the wings and make everything nicer looking. Other than that the hard work is done!;) :p:lol



 



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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2004, 02:17:38 PM »
No rivets are visible.  The rudder, ailerons and elevators are fabic covered.  If you get a good photo you can see how to shade them.

My three sets of line-drawings all show different patterns... I took my best guess.  The original skin does not match the line drawings, either and required some artistic license to get a fit.

I'll post the patterns later tonight when I get home.

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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2004, 06:21:50 PM »
Updates:
More Detail
fixed the spots where the camo meets
fixed elevaters
Put kill stars on it

I still need to make the evelaters rudders and alerons fabric looking  :p

Note: the exaust looks brighter because it is a glare*















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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2004, 08:11:19 AM »
See if these help.





In PS6
Create a layer.
User the polygonal lasso to create areas for the fabric depressions. Save the mask, you may need it later.
Select a color slightly lighter and one slightly darker than the base color.
Set the airbrush tool to about 1/2 the size of the open area and about 30-50% density.
Airbrush the edges of the areas to provide shading.

Easy, Eh?

A couple of other observations.  The Russians did not mark the upper sides of their aircraft.

I really like the shading you've done on the paint, the variations show up nicely and the nose-art is well done also.

Keep it up!

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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2004, 11:27:41 AM »
Rgr ill use ur tips and um what did u mean by the markinh thre top is that the kill stars??? cause i found them on this plane

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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2004, 06:21:59 AM »
Not the fuselage markings, I was talking about the red star and '36' on the top surfaces.

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2004, 09:21:58 AM »
like on the wings and on the elevaters???

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2004, 09:32:32 AM »
OK heres my attempt at the fabric...