First Ladies Guide to Stem Cell Research

[straffo]

Originally posted by fd ski
FYI, Curie was polish

Thank you

PS. So was Chopin. Right Staffo ?

Half right
It depend if you're speaking of Marie or Pierre
(I'm nitpicking)

For Chopin I'm pretty sure he was Polish ,because it's why my surname is Frederic

[Manedew]

Originally posted by lazs2
so if Bush quit increasing the funding level of the NEA ....

you could say that Bush banned art in America?

lazs

No it's like saying he limited it to works by Piccasso only ... we won't pay for Dali's ......


....and Chopin's parents were both French,  He was born and raised in Poland but lived in France.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Perhaps free market is not funding the research because of government limitations placed on development.. If private business is only allowed to research 60 some odd strains in exixtance and is ordered to ignore the potential billion other strains, I would think that is somewhat limiting your end conclusions..
 

However this is not the case.  Pfizer can look at any strain it wants to,  it just doesn't get government funding to look at strains other than those which were developed by 2001.

[Crumpp]

Bush did not ban stem cell research. He restricted government funding to research on strains that were in existance at the time of the funding restriction.

 

However this is not the case. Pfizer can look at any strain it wants to, it just doesn't get government funding to look at strains other than those which were developed by 2001.

Exactly, Ya beat me to it by seconds.

Crumpp

[slimm50]

Originally posted by Toad
A key point routinely (deliberately?) never mentioned by stem cell proponents.

If it is clearly such a boon to mankind, this is a veritable bonanza awaiting the first successful company.

Why are private corporations not funding this research?

Don't you remember it was the same way with High-Def TV? Companies cried a river because the Fed wouldn't subsidize research so they could compete with Japan. Still, they found a way.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Toad
A key point routinely (deliberately?) never mentioned by stem cell proponents.

If it is clearly such a boon to mankind, this is a veritable bonanza awaiting the first successful company.

Why are private corporations not funding this research?

Secondarily, why should we expect government to fund it all?

Toad you might google to learn about the truth of how much the government funds most medical and scientific research in this country. If the gov didnt do this then it wouldnt happen as it is so expensive.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Sandman
This just in... Dr. Laura is a quack.



Is she even a doctor?

Laura Bush hehe Not the Dr Laura you listen to on the radio:)
Its a parody of Laura Bush.....

[straffo]

Half right Manedew

[Silat]

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/faqs.asp

All the info you need on stem cells. Not the political side.



http://www.stemcellresearch.org/commentary/index.html

Commentary from both sides.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Silat
Toad you might google to learn about the truth of how much the government funds most medical and scientific research in this country. If the gov didnt do this then it wouldnt happen as it is so expensive.

Well the world's leading stem cell research pioneer thinks the US is capable of catching up with private funding. He probably knows more about it than I do.

A Stem-Cell Research Pioneer

This has been a catalyst and a wakeup call in the U.S. It has stimulated private organizations in the U.S. to fund human ES cell work. There's a lot of activity going on in the U.S. with human ES cells. The impact of the Bush restrictions can still be overcome by those with private funding.

Note that someone that actually knows what he's talking about calls them "Bush restrictions", not a "Bush ban on stem cell research.

There's even a better deal in that article:

Founded two years ago, the bank is the first of its kind worldwide and is run jointly by the National Institute for Biological Standards & Control (NIBSC) and the Medical Research Council (MRC). It will hold existing and new adult, foetal, and embryonic stem-cell lines in liquid-nitrogen storage.

The cells will be available to researchers worldwide once their research is granted approval by a steering committee. Academic researchers will have to pay a nominal fee for the lines, although commercial ventures will have to front the full economic cost.

The HFEA is a non-departmental government body that regulates and inspects all British clinics providing in-vitro fertilization (IVF), donor insemination, or the storage of eggs, sperm, or embryos.

So you see, there's many different lines of stem cells available for research if you get your project approved and can pay a nominal fee. They'll just be from Britain.  

Once again, seems like much ado about nothing. There is stem cell research funded by the US government. Private organizations can fund their own stem cell research to their hearts content. Academic researchers have access to all the stem cell lines in Britain's stem-cell bank for a nominal cost.

I guess the sky isn't falling after all.

[myelo]

A few points:

Bush provided, for the first time, federal funding for stem cell research, but that money could only be used for work that used currently available embryos. This was a compromise between abortion foes who want a complete ban and scientists and patient advocates who want full funding.

At that time the White House claimed that more than 78 stem-cell lines were available and expected funding to amount to $100 million per year. But for various reasons only 22 of these lines are usable and only $25 million was available last year for this research.

Regarding private companies, a large amount of medical research in the US depends on federal funding. Even drug research by pharmaceutical companies often involves NIH funds. The regulations related to patent developments based on stem-cell research are still unclear. Thus private companies have been reluctant to spend large amounts of money on this research until they can be assured of patent protection.

Most scientific organizations favor revising Bush’s restrictions, including the American medical Association and the National Academy of Sciences. Several prominent republicans also oppose Bush’s policy, including Trent Lott and Orrin Hatch.

[Crumpp]

But for various reasons only 22 of these lines are usable and only $25 million was available last year for this research.

Yes, we took a big bill in paying for defense.  Takes money to stop folks from flying airplanes into our buildings.  Remember the Clinton Years?  The ones we dismantled our Armed Forces under?  Well we have to rebuild them cause they are needed.


 

Most scientific organizations favor revising Bush’s restrictions, including the American medical Association and the National Academy of Sciences. Several prominent republicans also oppose Bush’s policy, including Trent Lott and Orrin Hatch.

It would be great to fund the research, no doubt and it could possible save lives.  Unfortunately it really does NOT fall within:

1.  Regulation of interstate commerce

2.  Foreign Policy decision-making and regulation of Tariffs

3.  National Defense

All of which are the JOB of the Federal Government.  Funding Medical Research falls under the "nice if we can do it" catagory.  The plain reality is that according to the Constitution, Stem Cell research falls plainly in the lap of private investors.  They will benefit the most from it in the end.  Sure lives will be saved but not before the company gets paid as is always the case in American Medicine.

Bush took the middle road.  Good for him.

Crumpp

[Toad]

British National Stem Cell Bank Up and Running within 12-Months
 
 
 Britain's national stem cell bank should receive its first deposit of stem cell lines next year. The bank will be run jointly by the National Institute for Biological Standards and Control (NIBSC) and the Medical Research Council (MRC).

It will hold existing and new adult, fetal, and embryonic stem cell lines in liquid nitrogen storage. The cells will be available to researchers in the UK and other countries once their research is granted approval by a steering committee. Academic researchers will have to pay a nominal fee for the lines, although commercial ventures will have to front the full economic cost.

At least 70 stem cell lines are currently in existence and it is hoped that samples of all of these lines will be stored in the bank.

SOURCE/REFERENCE: Reported by http://www.reutershealth.com on the 9th September 2002
 
 

Relax. Most likely the scientists will soon be able to  borrow all available lines from the Brits for research. We absolutely could not make this happen faster than what the Brits are doing right now, no matter how much money we spent.

The sky is NOT falling.

[demaw1]

This just in .....It has been reported by un-named sources, the avatar sandman uses is a picture of him hitting laura bush. Sources close to sandman say , it simply easier to take her on
then arnold .

   Stand by for futher details.

[lazs2]

so mandew... if Bush said he would only pay for one kind of art then that would be the same as him banning alll art?

lazs