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Offline dragoon

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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2004, 02:19:14 AM »
i used to fly la7 alot. i killed more la7s last tour then any other plane. i dont see what the big deal is. dont perk it..bad enough ya cant fly it half the time.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2004, 02:29:41 AM »
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the LA7 is a monster

but i think what keeps it from being perked is its very short range with no drop tanks   and no jabo abilty


F4U4 Spit14 Temp all have short range but carry drop tanks and most have a very good jabo abilty only a few perk planes lack jabo

ME262 TA152 Spit14-fair- ME163 lawndart


the LA7 is not a F4UC because the F4UC has great jabo abilty and can be used from CVs with drop tanks to


Anyone who uses a perk plane, other than the el cheapo F4U-C, to Jabo needs to have their head examined....Siting lack of jabo ability as a justification for the LGay7 not being perked is an incredibly weak argument.
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2004, 02:34:48 AM »
Hey if they perk it you can fly it all the time! ;)

The range limitation is probably the single fact that keeps the La7 unperked. However with the 2x fuel burn the Tempest only has a couple of minutes more range, and the La7 actually outperforms the Tempest in everything except speed, and the Tempest's speed advantage only lasts for 5 minutes.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2004, 02:38:57 AM »
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Hey if they perk it you can fly it all the time! ;)

The range limitation is probably the single fact that keeps the La7 unperked. However with the 2x fuel burn the Tempest only has a couple of minutes more range, and the La7 actually outperforms the Tempest in everything except speed, and the Tempest's speed advantage only lasts for 5 minutes.


The Tempest has a pretty major firepower advantage as well, especially in terms of ballistic properties. Also, noone ever talks about this factor, but it is a major factor for me personally, that is nose-low deflection view. The Tempest, like the Typhoon, has a fantastic nose-low view making high deflection shots very doable. The LGay7's nose-low view is piss-poor, on par with Fw190s and 109s.

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2004, 06:26:30 AM »
Actually the Tempest's guns have very similar ballistics to those on the La-7, and they are pretty equal in rate of fire as well.
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2004, 07:10:22 AM »
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Actually the Tempest's guns have very similar ballistics to those on the La-7, and they are pretty equal in rate of fire as well.


I have never flown the La7, so cannot say from first hand observation but I was under the impression the Russian 20mm had a lower muzzle velocity and rate of fire than the British Hispano 20mm cannons. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2004, 07:40:23 AM »
Zazen, your not.

Either of the 2 guns packages drop way more than HS's do.
Makeing them much harder to hit with.

Inside 250 they hit about as well.
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2004, 08:10:19 AM »
The Tempest does not have Hispano II cannons like the Typhoon. It has Hispano V cannons which are short-barrelled versions with very similar ballistics to the German MG151/20 and the Russian 20mm cannons.

(Or perhaps you haven't noticed that the Tempest doesn't have the long barrels protruding from the wings?)
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2004, 09:23:31 AM »
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The Tempest does not have Hispano II cannons like the Typhoon. It has Hispano V cannons which are short-barrelled versions with very similar ballistics to the German MG151/20 and the Russian 20mm cannons.

(Or perhaps you haven't noticed that the Tempest doesn't have the long barrels protruding from the wings?)


The shorter barrel effects muzzle velocity and rate of fire how? Just curious.
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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2004, 09:51:59 AM »
Well, the longer the barrel, the more distance the gun powder is pushing on the round.  Less distance = Less speed (to an extent).

I.E. An M16 with 20" barrel is going to shoot faster than an M16 with a 4" barrel.

However, you can't keep increasing the barrel length and expect it to go faster.
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2004, 09:55:55 AM »
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thats the point  ;) :D :rofl


Well ... the amount of kills I saw you landing in it last night ... your gonna need to get more than 2 per sortie to make a difference ...  :D

Your far more dangerous and productive in a P-38 ... think about it ... you might then begin to understand why this plane is not perked.
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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2004, 10:05:32 AM »
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Well, the longer the barrel, the more distance the gun powder is pushing on the round.  Less distance = Less speed (to an extent).

I.E. An M16 with 20" barrel is going to shoot faster than an M16 with a 4" barrel.

However, you can't keep increasing the barrel length and expect it to go faster.


Is it speed or accuracy that is effected by barrel length ?

Doesn't a longer barrel mean more spin on the round due to being expose to more of the the boring in the barrel ... which then translate to better accuracy at longer distances ?

The faster a bullet spins, the straighter is flight path is over distance ?

I would also think that the longer a bullet spins in a barrel, the more friction it will encounter, which would slow the bullet down ? (same bullets just different barrel lengths).

Shoot duplicate .38 rounds from a 6 inch barrel and a 2 1/2 inch barrel at 50 yards and tell me which one is more accurate.

Is the round from the 2 1/2 inch barrel travelling faster than the one from the 6 inch barrel ? I don't know ... :D
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2004, 10:05:37 AM »
Muzzle velocities:

890 m/sec   M2 .50 cal
860 m/sec   Hispano II
830 m/sec   Hispano V
800 m/sec   MG151/20 (HE/M)
790 m/sec   Berezin B-20 & ShVAK
720 m/sec   MG151/20 (API/HET)


So the Berezin B-20 and ShVAK have only 4.8% lower muzzle velocity than the Hispano V.
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2004, 10:07:37 AM »
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Muzzle velocities:

890 m/sec   M2 .50 cal
860 m/sec   Hispano II
830 m/sec   Hispano V
800 m/sec   MG151/20 (HE/M)
790 m/sec   Berezin B-20 & ShVAK
720 m/sec   MG151/20 (API/HET)


So the Berezin B-20 and ShVAK have only 4.8% lower muzzle velocity than the Hispano V.


So ... would that not make a big difference over a distance of 200 to 400 yards ?

Also, bore has a lot to do with it too.
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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2004, 10:27:46 AM »
No it would not make much difference at 200-400 yards. Both cannon are 20mm so I don't see how bore would be any different.
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