Should America deny military service to Muslims?

[rpm]

The point I was making was only the extreemists would go for it.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by rpm371
The point I was making was only the extreemists would go for it.

So left-wing Communists would go for it too?

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Chairboy]

I think there's very little difference between extremist right-wingers and extremist left-wingers.  Just language.  Their actions are the same.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I think there's very little difference between extremist right-wingers and extremist left-wingers.  Just language.  Their actions are the same.

We have a WINNAH!

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I think there's very little difference between extremist right-wingers and extremist left-wingers.  Just language.  Their actions are the same.

My point is that rpm specifically pointed to the far right and neo-conservatives as supporting such a policy.  Besides the fact that I don't really think that's true, it also doesn't consider extremism in its entirety.  Of course extremists would support extreme, unreasonable measures; that's what extremists do.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[storch]

In my time they would have been fragged if anyone was the least bit suspicious.  Perhaps keeping them out of the service the same way we would a Communist is a good idea if only for their own protection.

[B17Skull12]

no,

stupid idea.  if they want to serve let them.  if they become a traitor, then discharge unhonourably, and put them on probation.

[Ghosth]

Deny, no.

Did the US put soldiers of Japanese descent into the islands campaigns in the pacific against the Japanese?

If there were a few, they were few & far between.

Its my undersanding most of them ended up in Italy.

So let them serve, give them a chance to prove who they are loyal to. But let them do it in Germany, Korea, etc, not the middle east.

PS the penalty for being a traitor is and always should be death. As quick as and as cleanly as is possible.

[Saintaw]

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[demaw1]

Ah the sadness of it all.
 
 Anonymous....Sorry guy, but so far the muslims that have done this dont speak a word of the arab language. Is it not so that those translators of the arab language are put in harms way as little as possible and therefore would not be in a position to shoot our 18/20 year olds in the back.

 Please read the thread carefully, dont read your bias into it as it is not a flame thread. In my day we simpley shot those we were suspect of...and in every war since time begun that has happened.

Ghosth....the japanese fought bravely,but they were not loyal to the japanese god the emperior. They were loyal to America.  This is a religious war, 15 to 75 percent of muslims are loyal to the teachings of the radical mullas.

 B 17 skull...stupid idea?  FINE but what would you do with the 1, 10, 100 bodies of the boys and girls that were killed because of this traitor? GUESS YOU CANT PUT THEM ON PROBATION CAN YOU?

Dead man flying...what did I try to make of what, this will soon be a news story, please in your wisdom tell me what I said that was wrong. Tell you what, the guy who put the granade in the officers tent and killed him...the officer had a little girl,how would you like to meet her and tell her her daddy died because you didnt want to hurt someones feelings?

RPM...Wow you do know the first admendment, of course it doesnt apply to us christians , never mind America was founded on judeo/christian values.  What name would you call Lincoln as he suspended habeas corpus during the civil war.

There are no chirstian terrorist anywhere in the world. Funny how the thousands of christian palistinians that live there  have never once strapped on a bomb to one of their babys and set them to Israel.

Chairboy.....you of all people should know there is a difference between fighting a country and a religious war. I think your points were way off base, and I think most right minded europeans and blacks would think so to.

Saburos....where did I say punish the whole?  Where did I ever say rounding up , please be a man ,as I was, and if I didnt say it, tell it. You see no difference between a spy doing what a spy does, and someone rolling a granade into a tent or shooting a g.i. in the back?

 Midnight Target....What should I be ashamed of, Respectfully and without malice of wording posting a thread for serious thought. Maybe for using my freedom of speech or do I as a conservative christian not have that luxury any longer. Do you think I made this up ,or perhaps I have read about the worry in some letters from irag. Go ahead you choose the truth.

Saintall.... Racist, what is a racist ...what have you done for the genocide in the sudan, the arabs killing blacks because they are inferior race? I have done all I can, what have you done? You cheapen the word, using it as you have, you should be ashamed.

Last week rabbi menzer took his mother to lax to catch her flight to Israel, she is a old lady. She was singled out and had to strip and was embarrestingly searched . At the same time 3 arab men walked right on thru and boarded the plane. Even though our sworn enemy are arab males we best not profile.

With this policy we all know in our hearts what will soon happen , and when it does I hope to God it is yours on that plane and not mine.

[Chairboy]

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[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by demaw1
Dead man flying...what did I try to make of what, this will soon be a news story, please in your wisdom tell me what I said that was wrong. Tell you what, the guy who put the granade in the officers tent and killed him...the officer had a little girl,how would you like to meet her and tell her her daddy died because you didnt want to hurt someones feelings?

I doubt this will soon be a major news story in anything reputable.  The Bush administration wouldn't touch this issue with a 500 foot pole, and rightfully so.

And spare me the histrionics, please.  It's not about hurting someone's feelings; it's about realizing why and for what our soldiers fight.  You obviously don't get it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by demaw1
Saburos....where did I say punish the whole?  Where did I ever say rounding up , please be a man ,as I was, and if I didnt say it, tell it. You see no difference between a spy doing what a spy does, and someone rolling a granade into a tent or shooting a g.i. in the back?

Your statement in the title of this, your thread says it all:

Should America deny military service to Muslims?

I shouldn't have to explain it to you but I will.

Let's say you get your way and Congress passes laws to outlaw Muslims from our military. They wouldn't be "rounded up"? How would you propose our military get those innocent Muslim individuals that refuse to give up? They'd have to be hunted down and rounded up, no?

Now you introduce a grenade incident (which is wrong no matter how we cut it BTW). I agree with you there.

However if you look at your original statements:

The lastest muslim to give documents to the enemy was a coverted American named Anderson from the 81st wash. nat.gar.

He gave troop strenths and movements to the enemy. Last week it was a navy muslim that gave ship positions and movements to the enemy.
 

You talk about individuals giving up classified intel. I commented on why you seem to neglect non-Muslims that have done the same (you still haven't answered, btw). Shall we keep whole groups of people from serving our military for what a small fraction do?

[rpm]

Originally posted by demaw1
RPM...Wow you do know the first admendment, of course it doesnt apply to us christians , never mind America was founded on judeo/christian values.  What name would you call Lincoln as he suspended habeas corpus during the civil war.

There are no chirstian terrorist anywhere in the world. Funny how the thousands of christian palistinians that live there  have never once strapped on a bomb to one of their babys and set them to Israel.

Demaw, because they are Christian, does not mean they are not terrorists. The IRA, KKK and Tim McVeigh are 3 prime examples of terrorists. None are muslim and there are many, many more.
You may not be aware, but when America was founded other religions existed. None were singled out to be excluded from the first amendment.

Israel is it's own can of worms. I think they create many of their own problems. Oh, and I would call Lincoln, Mr. President. You salute the office, not the man.

[demaw1]

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