Note to Hightech

[moot]

just relax, everyone in the game is the same, a brain+joystick (and aimbot for a few) with a plane (and keyboard) for avatar: if they did something, so can you.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Ohio330
 I just want an alternative arena to go to when the bruises get bad.

Ohio try the CT then, it is a god place to be for the most part, unless the #s are low.but what I read from your post as wanting an arena for newbs is you want the easy kill ...and to be able to run a muck and post big kill sorties...you will never get to the top of your game feeding on les fortunate pile-its and in doing this and having an arena for new flyers ( under 1 year ) you make it to where they will want to quit and give up before they ever get to the BIG SHOW...so to speak....

If you don't want bruises and bumps and defeat then you need to have the WIL to want to be better, this means take some lumps and bruises as Slap and Shane pointed out and learn from them..now you posted you turned, they turned, you died...well maybe you could use a lil help in what to look for when reviewing a film / fight........most of it would probably be situational Awareness (SA), E- Management, and flying angles / gaining angles......

it is not the plane,  a  superior plane is whipped by an inferior plane in the MA everyday..it is the pilot, who has studied, practiced and honed his abilities to fly his plane to its maximum effectiveness while steering his opponent to do the exact opposite

train like you fight, fight like you train !

or as the Preacher says:

 "Know and use all the capabilities of your airplane. If you don't, sooner
or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass."
                                 Lieutenant Dave"Preacher"Pace, USN
                                 U.S.Navy Fighter Weapons School Instructor

[Horn]

Originally posted by Edbert MOL
I'm not sure about the combination of interests, personality, lifestyle, and just plain old stubborness it takes to make someone get over that steep curve and become a longtime member of the community. But all of us in said community have an interest in making that curve easier to get over.

As long as it's not done by the dumbing-down of the game (like FA), I agree.

The newb must seek the help on his own--that is, take the first step rather than saying, "This is too hard." Making the initial commitment is not tossing 15 bucks at HTC--it is the mental step of admitting failure and squelching pride until failure gradually becomes success.

The dev provides the raw tools, the boundaries & the outline--it is up to us to make the game.

Admittedly, my attitiude about this may be dinosaur-like as, like you, I have been playing these types of games for a long time.

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[Ohio330]

Originally posted by moot
just relax, everyone in the game is the same, a brain+joystick (and aimbot for a few) with a plane (and keyboard) for avatar: if they did something, so can you.

      Your really kinda missing the point.  I never said I wouldn't get any better..but as we all know, this game takes A LOT
of learning.  MONTHS.  I dont see how having a brain+ joystick puts me on equal terms to start.  Without a noob arena I'm not
sure I'm going to have the desire to keep going.  I'm sorry I even
brought up the MA in my post.  This is more focused on having
a place to actually have fun for noobs
   As far as this game not having pain..thats true in a physical sense.  But pain equates to frustration in AH2 and slowly kills any
further desire to learn (and quit) if I'm not going to have fun for 6 mos. to a year or more I'm not sure the wait is worth it.
to a year when things might get to equal terms.  I've been
in my squad for two months and have already noticed approx.
5 noobs gone.  Maybe they went to another country, but I wonder if they just threw in the towel.  I did a search on
them for their stats and they have nothing for this month, so I gather they gave up.  With a noob arena, maybe HTC would still be collecting their 14.95.

[vorticon]

This is more focused on having a place to actually have fun for noobs

we do. its called the HTH

[Ohio330]

Originally posted by vorticon
we do. its called the HTH

 Hum..never really thought about HTH.  Might give that a try, but
isn't that limited in numbers per room? (ya I know I'm being picky now)

[bustr]

Ohio,

1.) Ask Shane and Slapshot to go to the dueling arena with you for lessons. Both are excellent teachers. You have to make this effort. Don't complain at the community. If you ask, every old hand in this community will help. YOU HAVE TO ASK FIRST.........

2.) When you logon or when they do, defect to the side they are on and fly with them. If you can follow Shane's LaLa through a few furballs every night for 2 camps you will get good fast.

3.) Take off and find every lopsided furball or engagement you can and dive in. Be aggressive and attack. Being timid will get you back in the tower.

Hiding in a hoard is fun untill Fester cherry picks you with his Me262.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by Ohio330
Hum..never really thought about HTH.  Might give that a try, but
isn't that limited in numbers per room? (ya I know I'm being picky now)

yeah, 8 person per room. but if you cant survive in a 8 man (or women) furball, at the level that most in the hth have, then youve got no chance of getting anywhere in the MA.

[Furious]

You want an arena with the blind leading the naked?  How will this ever teach you anything?


...better than a new arena would be "newby squads".  Transitional squads lead by a variety of volunteer vets and AH trainers.  Something to get the newbies through the first few months.

[jamusta]

Originally posted by Ohio330
Like I said, I am not planning on avoiding the MA all together.
I would return to it to attempt to learn from the harder guys.
All Im asking is for a place to actually have fun, not neccessarily
learning... an alternative to the constant beating.
    As it stands now, I'll use the analogy of a pro football team.
I have never played organized football.  Say one day
a pro football coach comes up to me and tells me that if I pay $14.95/mo. he will start me in the Center position for every game.
I jump in and constantly get plowed on my back by a 400lb. guy.
I keep getting back up and jump back in to repeat same.   After
a bit I say to myself, WTF am I doing in this league at this point, this is no fun.
    I know that it takes time to learn..a lot of time.  I just want an alternative arena to go to when the bruises get bad.

I take a different stance. After being constantly plowed by the 400lb guy imagine how it will feel to finally put him on his back and step on his chest. It would be well worth the beating he gave me. The more I got beat the more I wanted to beat them. IM STILL LOOKING FOR YOU KAPPA. YOUR BUTT IS MINE!!!!!

Hey wait I just noticed you are in a squad... Maybe you are in the wrong squad. Have they not tried to teach you? I am not understanding this. The vets in your squad should be trying to soothe your pain.

[phookat]

Originally posted by Ohio330
Without a noob arena I'm not
sure I'm going to have the desire to keep going.

OK, I take it by "noob arena" you mean that only people who have been online for a month or less can fly there.  So what happens after the month is over?   You won't have learned anything, and now you are back in the MA right where you started.  So instead of quitting in a week, you quit in a month.

You are asking for the impossible here.  You are saying the only way you can have fun is by winning without trying.  In that case, you are not going to have fun here or in any game.  Noob arena or not.

[Ohio330]

Originally posted by Furious
You want an arena with the blind leading the naked?  How will this ever teach you anything?


...better than a new arena would be "newby squads".  Transitional squads lead by a variety of volunteer vets and AH trainers.  Something to get the newbies through the first few months.

    What your implying is that I need to go to school full time.  Did
YOU have fun going to school?  I sure didn't.  Yes, I want an
arena that you don't learn a darn thing..just wing it and land
kills with others that don't know tactics. Then also go to
school when I want to and eventually play good with the college boys.

[dedalos]

You will never learn in the horde.  The vets will take your kills and you will never get a chance to learn deffence.  What ever little I know I learned by dying a lot.  I used to fly the 202 as a noob cause I did not know any better.  Took me weeks to get a kill.

So, if you like, come join my plane tonight.  You wont learn much but you should pick up a few things.  Also, we could wing together if you like.  You can learn a lot more that way.  I will even change to your country for a night just so we can find Slap and teach him a lesson.

Again, I am no expert but not a noob either.  Let me know.

[68DevilM]

Originally posted by Ohio330
Before you made the changes, I was part of that
rook horde.  I found safety in numbers in order to learn this
game.  As it stands now, I cannot find myself learning anything
but defensive moves.
 

i am and have been a knight since begining to play, and i hate the rook hord, but one thing thats true! battleing them back has made me a better player;)

come to the underdog's side and really learn something about flying...

[Furious]

Originally posted by Ohio330
What your implying is that I need to go to school full time.  Did
YOU have fun going to school?...

Learning ACM's in flight simulators?  You bet your bellybutton I've enjoyed it.  I wouldn't have kept doing it for 8yrs otherwise.  

....and the cool thing is as the others we play with get better, we constantly need to be learning new things.  That's what holds some of our attention, the constant learning.

What you want to do can be done in CFS against the drones on easy.  Why bother playing online against real people?


You know, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, FA (fighter ace) had arenas like you suggest.  You know what happened?   The folks in them got good at whopping on the newest of newbs, but not good enough to survive in the mains, so when they got to the point that they were supposed remove their training wheels and leave that arena, they would open a shades account or auger until their score was low enough to get back in.