'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake

[Eagler]

[Wotan]

Anyone check ABC's World News Tonight? (Jennings)

It seems they interviewed 3 of the experts hired by 60 minutes to examine the memos and all three said they did not authenticate them. 1 was so concerned she sent emails the night before 60 Minutes aired the story expressing her concerns.

Of course CBS says that they relied on and were confident in what the other experts they hired said. They did not release the names of those other experts.

I will check the WNT webpage for a transcript tomorrow.

[Eagler]

what's really great about the entire thing is that it has the other liberal news orgs trying to slam CBS/60minutes/Rather on this thing and by doing so they have to side with Bush

[Mini D]

Originally posted by rpm371
Did he say it was impossible to type a lower case l in ANY of that?
No, he did not. But remember, Katz is only one of the experts saying they look authentic.

Sooooo...Did HE say HE thought they were authentic? Yes. Are there more experts? Yes. Do YOU like what they say? No. Is that MY problem? No.

You do realise that both points you quoted were quite wrong, right RPM?

Surely you have MS Word... give this a try:

[list=1]

• Select "Times New Roman" as a font
• Type a "1" and then an "l" (lower case L)
• observe the difference
• type "11th"
• press cntrl-z
• observe what happens

Talk about blindly believing an "expert" who is clearly wrong even in the limited context you quoted him in.  Stop digging man.

[rpm]

Dogpile CBS, not me. You asked for a name and I gave you one. You want me to break down his opinion? No. It's not my opinion to defend. Check the other guy listed in the story. So far those are the names CBS has released. They claim to have more, but I don't have my CBS News access code laying around to tell you who they are.

[GRUNHERZ]

RPM do you think it can be proven that the memos are fake?

[Mini D]

Hey... you're the one still quoting the guy in arguments with Grunherz RPM.  Quit pretending otherwise.

The guy is wrong, but it's the best you can do so you'll stick by it.  It's not even remotely difficult to either replace an 1 with an l or to undo autoformatting... yet you quoted him on it.  The one guy that you can find who says the documents are authentic.

Like I said... stop digging.  Find something else to argue about because you're coming off as obtuse in this one.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Mini D
Hey... you're the one still quoting the guy in arguments with Grunherz RPM.  Quit pretending otherwise.

The guy is wrong, but it's the best you can do so you'll stick by it.  It's not even remotely difficult to either replace an 1 with an l or to undo autoformatting... yet you quoted him on it.  The one guy that you can find who says the documents are authentic.

Like I said... stop digging.  Find something else to argue about because you're coming off as obtuse in this one.

What am I suppossed to do when Grun kept misquoting the guy? Like I said, not my opinion just answering your question of name a guy.

[GRUNHERZ]

Here is what a real computer and text expert, Joseph Newcomer, has to say about these forged documents..

His analysis:

http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm

His resume:

http://www.flounder.com/resume.htm

His business website:

http://www.flounder.com/index.htm

He even debunks tis whole idea of using lower case L as a 1 in these memos.

RPM if you have even tinyest pretense of an open mind you will consider this evidence and just accept the truth, that these documents are bad forgeries.

[rpm]

I'll believe it when CBS issues a retraction.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by rpm371
I'll believe it when CBS issues a retraction.

And then what?  What abut all your ranting here? What about all your experts..

Read the detailed analyis I posted above and decide for yourself...  Its a clear case that the memos are forged..

[Mini D]

You do realize you were actually wrong with that one... right?

Grun used the word "impossible", he used the words "very difficult".  Grun exagerated, the person you quoted was simply wrong.  Grun was stating he was wrong, you insisted he wasn't, he was only being misquoted.

I basically expect you to try to stop arguing in this thread.  Really... you've lost and are coming off like an idiot right now.

Oh... wait... you didn't "lose", you just quoted someone who happened to be so wrong that anyone with 5 seconds and MS Word could prove it for themselves.  That's not really your fault.  And trying to argue technicalities on a misquote while completely ignoring the context is so... ummmmm.... exactly what you're accusing the republicans of doing?

[Toad]

There's blood in the water. The sharks are circling the wounded shark.

From the ABC News website:

BUSH IN THE NATIONAL GUARD

ABC's Brian Ross interviewed the two experts who CBS hired to validate the National Guard documents and reports they ignored concerns they raised prior to the CBS News broadcast. "I did not feel that they wanted to investigate it very deeply," Emily Will told Ross. "I did not authenticate anything and I don't want it to be misunderstood that I did," Linda James told Ross. Ross reports 2 experts told ABC News today that even the most advanced typewriter available in 1972 could not have produced the documents. Ross also reported that Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's secretary says she believes the documents are fake but that they express thoughts Killian believed.

In the "Inside Story" on the CBS "Evening News," John Roberts said that CBS "continues to stand by its reporting" on Bush's National Guard records. Roberts derisively said Bush "barely mentioned his service" today while appearing before the Guard association. Roberts closed by saying that Bush's goal is to turn the focus of the debate away from the questions to "those asking them."

[ra]

Roberts closed by saying that Bush's goal is to turn the focus of the debate away from the questions to "those asking them."

So all these questions about these documents are coming from the Bush campaign?  Does this journalist have any documents to prove that?  Or is his PC down?

[AKIron]

So, all this controversy over the reportedly fraudulent documents is somehow Bush's fault? Democrats spin so much it's amazing they don't fall flat on their faces, oh wait, they have.