Aces Horde

[Tilt]

If you want to break up the horde type game play then ask HTC for a version of AW's Zone limit.

If you want the horde to change its "character" then lead by example. Whining at a horde is futile.

I too think that kweassa has described something that TOD could be like.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by ASTAC
Maybe just get a horde of your own together and intercept the enemy horde...

I've been accused of whining about ENY..you guys quit whining about "hordes"

It's TACTICS

the difference between hording and tactics is the difference between 2 10 year olds playing chess and 2 30 year olds.

in 1 you have both sides merely blasting the other players peices to bits until they have NO back row peices left, then going in for the kill, it works, barely, and only against a similar enemy.

in the other, you have both sides moving intelligently, making smart moves, and by the end of the game, there are less than 5 peices removed from the board.

the 30 year olds gameplay will defeat the 10 year olds gameplay. and so something that can be tried by the community is obvious:

have a country who is outnumbered win, without hording. make strategic strikes, use the minimum number of players to take a lot of bases. orginize well. cause a reset a couple times and people will start cluing in, and the hordes will slowly break up.

limit the first week of the 2 week trial to the TA and DA, teach em how to fight, and teach em to love a good fight, and a good furball. furballers on both sides should "orginize" the furball between them and start er up, while annoucing where its gonna be.  this does 2 things:
1. it removes the new players from the horde.
2. the "orginized" furball could interest some regular horders over, slowly eating away at the horde.

things hitech could potentially do, other than kweassas suggestions.

1. make furballs part of the "strat" to take over.
2. make level bombers a much better choice, give them targets that also help "win"
3. reduce the effectivness of jabo bombs, on things other than tanks.

[bustr]

DoK

In my day job, if my associates voiced this much dissatisfaction along with such indepth and astute observations of why and how a process is broken, my VP would call an all hands meeting and voice the following.

1. Yes I can make changes based on all of your observations to make this situation better for you. But I don't work on or with your process for a living, so I would be imposeing my filtered understanding of your observations. Since the system aint broken, just not working to your satisfaction, I'm not sure if I need to impact my bottom line.

2. What has each of "YOU" personally done, besides fill my suggestion box with your observations, to make this process work to your mutual satisfaction, or at least to change it?

But then again where I work the profit margin is about $6 billion a year.

[kj714]

Duchess has discovered the chat channel, it's on.

[bustr]

Originally posted by kj714
Duchess has discovered the chat channel, it's on.

Wo Wo, I wish I had the horomones in this ol body to go listen. Gee golly is that girl a corker......  Really fun to chat with.

At least she can have fun with this obviously seriously broken game....thats why I like talking to her. She makes the game fun.

[kj714]

I like the small fights too, and here's how we used to find them:

3 or 4 would up heavy to cap a base, first one down brings a goon.

Get to the base, drop ord on vh, start taking out ack and town.

Couple of people go down by flack, nme starts upping a few fighters. Next thing you know, if we didn't get the cap, they get the upper hand and start chasing us away from their field back toward ours.

This becomes a small furball sooner or later.

Here's the current scenario:

Knits want to take a base, so about 15 guys get together and go after it.

5 get shot down pretty quick by ack and it takes a while to get vh down so now there are about 10 vehicles on the field. Vehicles start shooting people down. Can't get a good cap so nme starts upping too. The stream of green turns into a river pretty quick.

Next thing you know it's a low alt furball and it takes 30 players, 4 hours, 5.5 beers, 10 different goon runs and 8 seperate instances of killshooter to capture the base. Getsome is convinced everything is bs, and Baba is bummed nobody follows his plan.  If all the kill stealing isn't enough entertainment for ya all by itself, several players have  freekin cows on range and vow to seek frontier justice and at least 1 person quits the game for good (or at least until tomorrow nite). Nobody gets a gd checksix.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by bustr
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2. What has each of "YOU" personally done, besides fill my suggestion box with your observations, to make this process work to your mutual satisfaction, or at least to change it?

...

I can't tell if you're trolling or if you just don't know who you're talking to.

In either event, I passed the torch many years ago. It's the people who fly 3 or 4 hours a night every night now whose behavior will set the standard.

And, in a corporate setting, if a VP had that reaction I'd know he was just copping out and wouldn't do a damn thing to improve the situation. And, in my albeit skewed view of reality, that makes him a worthless leader - it's his JOB to make his people more successful and productive. (Yeah, that kind of thinking goes reeeeal far in the 21st century, huh? All the way to Bangalore.)

    -DoK

[ASTAC]

Geez..you guys are just like a bunch of sailors..one girl shows up and all the sudden everybody goes crazy..wonder how many will switch sides just to talk to her..maybe thats how HT can balance the numbers..pathetic

[Vudak]

Originally posted by bustr
Vudak I was there. It was fun. There is a new fan club forming around a player named Duchess. For what ever reason she is inspiring a group of pilots to hit the feilds she is attacking. On country channel she's alot of fun to BS with. I see more joking around with her and a lot less of the crap fest thats been going on.

Ya you fellas sure do have a fan club for Duchess alright  Poor girl should just make a post on these forums with "Answers to Commonly Asked Questions" and have Skuzzy make it a sticky note

Also, if my earlier post conveyed the impression that I'm "blaming" this all on mission planners, I apologize, that wasn't the intent, even though on reflection it sure seems like that's what I was saying.

What I was trying to get across is that basically a mission is a horde.  "Usually" the mission goes after a target that is fairly undefended, or not likely to be a major obstacle.  Now of course, this can change depending on the other side.  

The thing is, such missions are usually successful.  You see 7-10 pilots landing 2+ kills and another base made green.  This can be a lot of fun, no doubt.

The problem is, this can also get a little old.  Just look at the first 2 hours after a map changes.  You inevitably have all three sides upping en masse towards a series of bases, which are more often then not, steamrolled.  Of course, in a clockwise fashion, you also have the other two countries doing the same thing on another part of the map.  This can be fun, for awhile...

I just really wish that someone who CAN pull together a horde would sit back and say "You know what?  Just for a change let's have our mission be defensive...  Just for a change how about we up Spits, FW190's, 109s, etc...  Let's have the Spits tackle the lower fighters, the 109s tackle the higher fighters, and let's have the 190s go after the bombers"...  This would also be a very fun mission, the only differences are, the odds would be closer to even, it would be horde vs. horde, and we wouldn't make a red base green...  We would keep a green base green.  But, for whatever reason, it seems like this is not what people look for nowadays?

The MA is a great place because it has endless possibilities for variety, but it really is up to us to make sure we utilize those possibilities.

Anyway, I didn't mean to insult anyone in my previous post.  I'm just trying to get some creativity flowing.

[Mugzeee]

See this thread.


http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=119757&referrerid=7566

[bustr]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I can't tell if you're trolling or if you just don't know who you're talking to.

    -DoK

DoK I know who you are, I was roomates with Damn'd slider in 1987 when he and I lived in Berkeley and dialed up to Genie.

But your comment gets to some of the problem. Most of the small community that posts on this BB are the incrowd at the AH Ice Rink.

They talk about the "Hoard and prevailing mentality" as "us vs. them". Yet you folks are AH..were AW and Warbirds. Use your star power to help them. Not ask me if I know of whom I'm being impertinant to.

Where it has been lamented that Pyro and Hitech don't mingle with the fans anymore, take their place and be the stars. But that means you have to actually chat with the hoardies. Not wait to see if thay can read the manual and not crash every time they try to land.

I trust skussy to delete\lock my content if I was trolling. Rather I'm saying things you are tired of hearing and or don't want to hear. The answer is not complex tactics and months of threads. It is each of you at the personal level selling yourselves as examples of what this game really is.

By the way, in a 6$ billion dollar profit margin company, if you are getting a bonus based on the yearly profit margin, your executives are gonna ask you very hard questions if you start complaining over something that aint broke. Mine is the 3rd largest company in its sector in the U.S. It's EU presence has been rated #1 by the EU banking industry, and just bought out Fleet Boston for around 49$ billion.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by bustr
DoK I know who you are, I was roomates with Damn'd slider in 1987 when he and I lived in Berkeley and dialed up to Genie.

But your comment gets to some of the problem. Most of the small community that posts on this BB are the incrowd at the AH Ice Rink.

They talk about the "Hoard and prevailing mentality" as "us vs. them". Yet you folks are AH..were AW and Warbirds. Use your star power to help them. Not ask me if I know of whom I'm being impertinant to.

...

If you really know me, and what I've done for these games, you know one of the biggest driving factors for creating scenarios was that they broke down the arena politics and habits. I even write about that aspect in several places on my site. So I started fighting this trend a decade ago, devoting ungodly amounts of time to the cause. Hence your comment about me specifically stepping up is kind of misplaced.

I agree that complex missions and stuff like that isn't necessary to start enabling change. I could quickly describe just one simple shift in technique for one of the MA's dominant activities that would make a difference in the quality of play. It's actually so damn simple.

I have my own personal reasons for wanting to stay incognito in the MA for now. It has nothing to do with HTC ... it's just easier for me now. And you'll just have to respect that.

    -DoK

[Shane]

dokgonzo.... duchess....

hmmm both start with "d"....

coincidence?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by A_Clown
I am absolutely disgusted with the majority of AH players. All too often I log into the MA & view the map looking for a battle to engage in. Almost always, all I can find are hordes. Either my country ( I switch alot so it makes no diff which one) is being horded, or doing the hording, most often BOTH. You horde here, we horde there, & they horde over there...  Its like a big base trading mery-go-round.

It seems gone are the days when people played the game for Air Combat, Now it seems people play for points, or stats, or the joy of watching buildings pop,  to see how fast them & 20 wingmen can kill 3 low defenders.

I was glad to see AH find a cure for the numbers problem, but it seems that they only changed the circumstances, & not the player mentality which was apparently the actaul cause for the game imbalance.

I dont know what the cure is, but I can say that the gameplay problem is far from over, IMO.

Summer is coming to an end, I sure hope the players bring the gameplay up a notch before winter sets in and we all spend alot more time flying.

A_Clown

Be sure and Stop by Wax's Panzer, he has Cheesewheels 1/2 off.

Karaya

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by bustr
Wo Wo, I wish I had the horomones in this ol body to go listen. Gee golly is that girl a corker......  Really fun to chat with.

At least she can have fun with this obviously seriously broken game....thats why I like talking to her. She makes the game fun.

While I have yet to have had the honor of meeting/speaking to her
Im sure she's pretty cool and probably alot of fun to talk to.
Just like USA girl was. I used to enjoy talking to her also and I never made a play for her either.
But..
I know the mentality of  not all but a very large portion of the online male.
Most dont flirt outright. at least not at first but eventually...
And thats what I was getting at